The servers are owned by WMF. And they can then state basic rules that
all must apply to. And especially for hatred and threats they must by
law enforce a proper policy
We have seen Facebook and Twitter be more proactive and the law in EU
goes further with demanding basic acceptable language and behaviour for
what is being done on a service providers platform.
The community can not override law or what the platform provider deem to
be necessary. We cab discuss how they came to this decision, but the
UCoC have been discussed in length and the communities have influence in
the appointments of a majority of the members in the Board
Anders
So have facebook and Teittwer done
Den 2021-02-03 kl. 10:37, skrev Yair Rand:
@Risker: The Global sysop policy was created through a sequence of
proposals, considerable debate and editing, and a vote in which over
1800 contributors participated. The Global ban policy had an RFC on
Meta. Afaik, the Board also had no involvement in the Steward policy,
the global checkuser and oversight policies, or the policies for
Global Rollback, Abuse Filter helpers, or New wiki importers global
user groups.
The Terms of Use were drafted with a lengthy community editing
process, although the Board did the final approval. The 2014 amendment
to the ToU also had a long community discussion, with over 1000
supporters of the change, with the Board implementing the
community-supported amendment. The community's decisions were critical
to these, and the Board did not unilaterally impose anything on the
community.
I do not see any reason for the community to listen to the Board on
the UCoC. I doubt anyone thinks that the Board or WMF has a better
idea of how to put together conduct policies than the community.
Certainly the complete failure to notice basic flaws in the document
attest to that. Maybe at some point in the future the community can
put together a clear set of basic global conduct rules, but the WMF's
UCoC is not it.
(And a fun fact: The Board approved the UCoC on December 9, the same
day as the bylaws change, and yet again violated the Board's rules
about publishing resolutions within a week, for the at least 19th time
in the past year, out of 24 known resolutions.)
(Also, contrary to the recent WMF blog post on the UCoC, the WMF also
does not "administer Wikipedia", a mistake they have made for the
second time now.)
-- Yair Rand
בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-21:34 מאת Risker
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
While I often agree with you, Yair Rand, in this case I think
you're mistaken. Aside from the long-ago "community vote" on
licensing (which was pretty much required based on the prior
licensing scheme), every Wikimedia-wide policy has been authorized
by the WMF Board of Trustees. That includes the terms of use and
the privacy policy. As the technical owners of the
infrastructure, the WMF Board does have the right (if not the
responsibility) to identify the manner in which the websites it
supports and hosts can be used, and I think this principle is
actually pretty widely held, at least in the abstract (i.e.,
hosting organizations can and should apply standards on the
services they host). In every policy-related case that I have
reviewed going back to the very earliest days, there has been at
least some level of community discussion, and there have always
been detractors of every policy the Board has approved; that has
not made the policies either invalid or unworkable.
I've never been convinced that including a mixture of required,
forbidden, and aspirational standards all in one document is a
good idea, and I personally struggle to see how including
essentially unenforceable aspects of the UCoC will do anything
other than weaken the effectiveness of rest of the document. For
example, I cannot imagine anyone being sanctioned in any way for
"failure to thank" or "failure to mentor", although both of these
are considered expectations in the "Civility" section; and one
thing that a Uniform Code of Conduct would logically have is a
uniform enforcement scheme.
Nonetheless, I do believe that it is within the Board's scope and
responsibility to approve this and other global policies designed
to protect the WMF, the projects, the users of the websites, and
the content managers/editors/etc (what we often call "the
community").
Risker/Anne
On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 17:28, Yair Rand <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The community has not approved the WMF's UCoC. It is not a
Wikimedia policy, it is not binding, it has no authority. The
WMF does not control the Wikimedia projects, and has no
jurisdiction in this area.
The community rejected this over and over again. It is harmful
that the Board is pretending they can do this unilaterally.
-- Yair Rand
בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-6:59 מאת María Sefidari
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Hi everyone,
I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has
unanimously approved a Universal Code of Conduct for the
Wikimedia projects and movement.[1] A Universal Code of
Conduct was one of the final recommendations of the
Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year,
participatory community effort to define the future of our
movement. The final Universal Code of Conduct seeks to
address disparities in conduct policies across our
hundreds of projects and communities, by creating a
binding minimum set of standards for conduct on the
Wikimedia projects that directly address many of the
challenges that contributors face.
The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have
grappled with these challenging topics. Over the past six
months, communities around the world have participated in
conversations and consultations to help build this code
collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages,
surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a
committee of volunteers and staff. The document presented
to us reflects a significant investment of time and effort
by many of you, and especially by the joint
staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after
reviewing input collected from community outreach efforts.
We also appreciate the dedication of the Foundation, and
its Trust & Safety policy team, in getting us to this phase.
This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct
- from here, the Trust & Safety team will begin
consultations on how best to enforce this code. In the
coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions
on how you can participate in discussions around enforcing
the new code. Over the next few months, they will be
facilitating consultation discussions in many local
languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to support a
new volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement
pathways. For more information on the process, timeline,
and how to participate in this next phase, please review
the Universal Code of Conduct page on Meta.[2]
The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step
towards our vision of a world in which all people can
participate in the sum of all knowledge. Together, we have
built something extraordinary. Today, we celebrate this
milestone in making our movement a safer space for
contribution for all.
On behalf of the Board of Trustees,
María Sefidari
Board Chair
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review>
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>
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