I would call this fair comment, and parallels can be drawn between how the UCoC may be used and the current discussion. Without clear statement on why a decision is made it cannot be properly understood, accepted or improved, and we end up in the usual spiral of speculation, accusation and bad feelings by all. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Benjamin Ikuta Sent: 11 September 2020 13:16 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review Thanks for the reply. I took a look at it and found it terribly vague. Depending on subjective interpretation, I can imagine it being used to justify whatever judgement is to be made. I am no more enlightened. > On Sep 11, 2020, at 4:05 AM, Alphos OGame <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > What I want to read : comments on the UCoC. > What I don't want to read : a barrage of *insert adjective, whether laudative > or criticizing* reply after reply after reply after reply on the comments of > one or more of the subscribers of this list. > > I understand the initial comments shocked some of you, and some may want to > defend freedom of expression and others yet criticize actions past or > current by the Foundation, but still, I'd rather we'd compartmentalize and, > instead of bickering about something the list mods have already given what > seems to be a rather decent decision, talk about the Universal Code of > Conduct, as I still haven't wrapped my head around it. > > Please, no more back and forth, no more inanity, no more four mails an hour. > Thank you… > > Roger / Alphos > > >> Le 11 sept. 2020 à 12:22, Quim Gil <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:31 AM Benjamin Ikuta <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Please, enlighten me. >> >> Here is an alternative suggestion. Check the UCoC draft and see whether you >> see room for improvement or disagree with anything specific in it. This is >> a productive way to compare your personal understanding of civility against >> the understanding of civility the UCoC offers for the entire movement. If >> you have ideas to improve the draft, share them, if possible on the Meta >> page where the main discussion is happening. >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review >> >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta >>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I >>> have a deeply flawed understanding of civility? >>>> Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might >>>> theoretically be the case, at least partially? >>>> Kind regards >>>> Ziko >> >> >> -- >> Quim Gil (he/him) >> Senior Manager of Community Relations @ Wikimedia Foundation >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
