Thanks for the pointers, I personally disagree with some parts of it (e.g. Twitter is a company and we are an NGO) BUT since it passed the community consultation (and I somehow missed it to raise my feedback), I don't want to be vocal about the high level reasoning behind the project.
What I would extremely appreciate is more transparent communication to the community about such large changes (especially sooner). Something like a two-line text on a phabricator has lots of potential for misunderstanding. Thanks again. On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:44 PM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff. > > J > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Was discussed here > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1 > > > > and > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1 > > > > James > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or > >> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking > care > >> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in > product > >> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure > >> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and > >> small > >> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and > >> there > >> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the > >> process. > >> > >> It is quite concerning. > >> > >> -- Yair Rand > >> > >> בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת Amir Sarabadani < > >> [email protected]>: > >> > >> > Hello, > >> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by > >> someone > >> > from WMF starting with: > >> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except > >> for > >> > wikidata as part of the paid API project." > >> > > >> > I have so many questions: > >> > - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out > of > >> our > >> > API? Now are we selling our dumps? > >> > - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the > >> dark? > >> > - Does the board know and approve it? > >> > - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and > >> > transparency? > >> > - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3 > >> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of > >> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan > >> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host > this > >> on > >> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated? > >> > - Why is the community not consulted about this? > >> > > >> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me > for > >> my > >> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our > >> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the > >> community > >> > wouldn't be too bad. > >> > > >> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275 > >> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY > >> > > >> > Best > >> > -- > >> > Amir (he/him) > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > New messages to: [email protected] > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Heilman > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> -- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
