Hi Lodewijk, You say:
*"My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a neutral review option for actions by the T&S team (or the WMF in general), such as an ombudsperson."* I think this is a very good idea, last Saturday we talked about an internal audit for this, same idea I think. I know of several instances where the T&S team had to act/ was asked to act, and reviewing procedures from time to time should be a normal in a healthy organisation. Vriendelijke groet, Ciell Op di 18 jun. 2019 om 03:02 schreef effe iets anders < [email protected]>: > (forking the discussion to allow a focus on more general line, rather than > the specifics of who wrote what, why and when) > My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a > neutral review option for actions by the T&S team (or the WMF in general), > such as an ombudsperson. > > A detailed discussion or evaluation of specific sanctions by the Trust and > Safety team is not the kind of conversation to have publicly - I think most > people agree on this. In conversations like this, there is always at least > one party less comfortable to discuss the matter in public (or even discuss > it at all, indeed). > > At the same time, if actions are so severe, it's good if there is > opportunity to have a review of the actions taken by a third party, to > confirm to the person against who sanctions have been laid (or complainants > in case no sanctions were laid), that appropriate processes were followed. > > (This is perhaps stating the obvious - and I should acknowledge that I > don't know enough about WMF processes today to know for sure whether this > has maybe already even been implemented in the WMF structures a long time > ago. I do get the impression though that if this is the case, not everyone > is familiar with this option.) > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 12:40 PM Isaac Olatunde <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > <snip> > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 3:48 PM Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected] > wrote: > > > > ><snip> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
