This seems like a mighty menacing line of discourse, coming from someone in a position to initiate a block. I don't think I should participate in any WP or WMF or Commons or WikiData discussions if such menace is the norm.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:05 PM Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanin...@gmail.com> wrote: > It wasn't hostile Pine, but it wasn't a great idea to call out one of the > few women on the chain for assuming bad faith given some of the other > statements and assertions on the thread. > > I did not make any assumptions on the motivations of those who take part in > the on wiki discussions, I just stated that the results were often hostile > environments which make engagement difficult or intimidating. And then I am > name checked for making this rather mundane and oft cited issue. It was > just a poor choice given the circumstances overall. > > I don't take part as a I don't want my "card to be marked" or have certain > editors monitoring my on wiki contributions based on assumptions made about > me and my editing motivations. > > On Thu 13 Jun 2019, 00:33 Pine W, <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm sorry if my post sounded hostile. I wish that I knew what to say. > > > > > > Pine > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 16:19 Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanin...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Pine, > > > > > > While I appreciate your attempt at guidance here, given some of the > > > messages in the chain the fact that you are calling me out as assuming > > bad > > > faith out of all the participants does not inspire me to take part at > > all. > > > > > > Thanks, but I feel that I might just go back to deleting these onerous > > > threads as has been my custom in the past rather than be singled out in > > > such a manner. > > > > > > If I had wanted to be tone policed o would have engaged with the > on-wiki > > > conversation. > > > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > On Wed 12 Jun 2019, 23:58 Pine W, <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Rebecca, > > > > > > > > These conversations can be stressful for many of us, including me. > > > > > > > > Speaking up in public can take courage. Thank you for participating > > here, > > > > and I encourage you to continue to participate even if you are in the > > > > minority regarding a certain discussion. > > > > > > > > I know that this can be difficult to do, and it's sometimes difficult > > for > > > > me to do, but please be careful about linking strong opinions with > > > assuming > > > > bad faith on the part of the people who state those opinions. > Sometimes > > > > there are good reasons for assuming bad faith, but I think that it's > > easy > > > > for many of us, including me, to rush to the conclusion that someone > > who > > > > disagrees with me may be acting in bad faith. > > > > > > > > I am sorry if you feel that you are not welcome here. Public > > discussions > > > > can be rough, but personally I think that they are usually for the > > best. > > > > > > > > I hope that my comments here are somehow encouraging. > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Dennis C. 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