Agree that a further collaboration with internet archives on this could be an excellent solution as I imagine they already do much of it.
On Tue, May 14, 2019, 21:13 Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > Dearests. > > The archival question is a good one. The wikiverse could use a more > archival gloss, and currently regularly breaks links where a slight > commitment to longer term reliably would preserve them intact. Nathan: long > term preservation is not yet part of the projects' raison d'etre. Perhaps > it should be. > > For instance sep11.wikipedia.org doesn't redirect where it should. We may > not even still have an archival dump online. Deleted articles and their > revs are no longer targetable by links, not even with redaction (like an > oversighted rev in a rev list), making for ephemeralinks. > > A better phrasing might be: how are archives made and maintained, where are > full copies of each project, is there any overview of how this is working? > & How can interested parties add to the mirror count of a project? > > IA and IPFS each mirror some things. I don't know of any full-wikimedia > mirror that includes all projects and files, and while there may be an > internal mirror including all private userdata, I don't believe there is > one offsite -- a delicate kind of mirroring that calls for some thought. > > SJ > > On Tue., May 14, 2019, 6:03 p.m. Nathan, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Internet Archive, incidentally, already seems to maintain copies of > > Wikimedia projects. I don't know to what degree of fidelity. > Additionally, > > the WMF's core deliverable is already to provide and sustain access to > its > > projects. It has an endowment for that purpose already. Other websites > and > > media that might have ephemeral access due to their nature as short-term > > tools need the IA to be preserved, but the WMF's projects seem to occupy > a > > different space. It's sort of like asking if the Library of Congress > needs > > to invest in some external project to preserve and organize its > > collections. No, that is its actual raison d'etre. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
