Gerard Thank you for explaining to me what it is that I fail to understand. In the same spirit, let me adopt for once your own, somewhat assertive terminology, to explain to you what you do not understand, namely the scale of the problem: the major Wikipedia projects have millions of unreferenced or inadequately referenced articles, including thousands which are biographies of living people. What you do not understand is that the community on which you place such emphasis has created that problem, is not fixing that problem and indeed is unable to fix that problem. You also do not understand the simple arithmetic that the collaboration with librarians equally does not and cannot fix that problem.
In future, please do not say "you do not understand X" when what you mean is "I disagree with you about X". JPS On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 8:54 PM Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > The thing you fail to understand is how much of what we do is done by a > community. What we need is collaboration with the world of libraries. It is > embodied by librarians and yes, it is important that they are on our side. > To be on our side, they need to know Wikipedia, what we are doing in > Wikidata with scholarly papers. They need to know, be involved in order to > help their clients understand the Internet and Wikipedia. Their clients are > or may become Wikimedians. > > So yes, we are dabbling with AI to find where citations are most needed. We > need to work on including science in Wikidata so that its references may be > used in a scalable way. A way that allows us to check Wikipedia for the > retractions we are finally including in Wikidata. The technology may become > available to us but we need people who understand it, live it. Librarians > are great at that. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 19:37, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Jake > > > > Thanks for that, but I think we need to preserve a sense of proportion > > here. According to a recent WMF Research finding, see > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/03/can-machine-learning-uncover-wikipedias-missing-citation-needed-tags/ > > , > > < > https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/03/can-machine-learning-uncover-wikipedias-missing-citation-needed-tags/, > > > > "one > > out of four articles in English Wikipedia does not have any references at > > all". That' something like 1.5 million articles, and maybe 3 million > > across all languages. Your report suggests that around 6000 articles > were > > updated: that's at best 0.2% of the backlog. At this rate it will take > > about 250 years to clear it. Perhaps a new approach is needed -- WMF > > researchers are looking into AI. > > > > JPS > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM Jake Orlowitz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Librarians and library lovers, > > > > > > Next month from May 15th to June 5th we will be joining together around > > the > > > world to make Wikipedia more reliable. You can participate in > #1Lib1Ref > > by > > > simply adding a citation to Wikipedia's content. > > > > > > That's all we ask and imagine: a world in which every librarian (or > > > archivist, reference professional, and scholar) adds 1 more reference > to > > > Wikipedia. > > > > > > This is the fourth year of the #1Lib1Ref campaign and our second time > > > running it in May, when it's more convenient for the southern > hemisphere. > > > You can learn about this year's January campaign too in our recently > > > released learnings report. > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Lessons/2019 > > > > > > Full resources and guides for participating in May are available on the > > > http://1lib1ref.org campaign website. > > > > > > The campaign will be fully tracked with daily metrics and leaderboard > > > updates. You can make sure your contribution is counted by using the > > > Program and Events Dashboard for your event, institution, or region. > > > > > > Login to start a new event or join up with an existing group for the > May > > > Campaign here: > > > > > > > > > https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/1lib1ref_may_2019/programs > > > > > > Please tell your library and library-loving friends about #1Lib1Ref in > > > May. We need everyone's help to make Wikipedia more reliable! > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jake Orlowitz > > > > > > Head of the Wikipedia Library > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > @Wikilibrary > > > > > > P.S. 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