As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a negative factor.
Jeblad Den lør. 30. des. 2017, 16.58 skrev Jonathan Cardy < [email protected]>: > Hi Amir, > > It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be > aware that there are reasons for their evolution over the last decade. Your > email almost implied that this has been an unreviewed area for the last > decade. > > There was some research a few years ago that concluded that welcomed > editors were more likely to stay, despite many welcomes being of the > "welcome your article has been tagged for deletion" variety. If someone > fancies digging further it would be good to compare welcomed and > unwelcomed editors among the 75% of newbies who edit existing articles and > also among the 25% or whatever is left of that who come here to create new > articles. > > I think that now would be a good time to develop tailored welcomes for > mobile and V/E newbies. I'm conscious that the Welcome I usually use > assumes that newbies who do good edits are using the classic editor and > contributing with something bigger than a tablet. So sometimes I leave > newbies unwelcomed rather than give them a potentially confusing welcome. > > As for getting a welcome message from a wiki where I have visited but not > edited, I consider that a privacy violation. We normally claim not to log > anything about our readers, but if a logged in Wikimedian visits arwiki a > log is created artificially by issuing them a welcome. It isn't a Privacy > violation that especially irks me personally, but if we allow it we should > change the global privacy statements accordingly. > > Regards > > Jonathan > > > > On 30 Dec 2017, at 13:38, [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:34 +0200 > > From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <[email protected]> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki > > Message-ID: > > <CACtNa8vKK+7tnLh=4vkbmvx4woahd3qvgc2n+cui-br8vqg...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > It's a good opportunity to step back and discuss a little something. > > > > The existence of pretty much every bot is a reason to think of a missing > > feature in the site's software. The same goes for templates and gadgets. > > > > Why do many wikis have custom welcome templates and bots that send them? > > The intuitive answer is "to send a personal message to a new user", but > if > > it's done by a bot, it's already not personal. What does the bot actually > > automate? The placement of a template? But what is the actual purpose of > > the template? > > > > Is it to say "hello and welcome"? The notifications feature already does > it > > nicely. > > > > To send people a list of useful links? I heard many times that new users > > actually do find them useful, and it's a good thing. But it's > nevertheless > > an anecdotal claim, and smarter questions should be asked: > > * How many people actually read these messages? > > * Are all the links useful? Do people actually click them? > > * Could some be removed? Could some be added? > > * Why is it different in every project? Could at least some parts be > reused > > across languages in a robust and properly localizable manner? > > * Is the talk page really a good place to do this? > > * How useful is it for people for people who come from another language > and > > have an account auto-created? > > > > And so on. > > > > Welcome templates have been a part of our sites for well over a decade, > but > > it's never too late to ask fundamental question about what purpose do > they > > serve, and how could this purpose be served better. > > > > Happy New Year :) > > > > בתאריך 29 בדצמ׳ 2017 11:21, "John E > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
