One must have the courage of one's words and assume them.
There is a very simple way of knowing who is lying: can Sylvain publish the
letter in question? I will be really interested to see when he was punished
for "having a girlfriend".
Furthermore, I can't agree more with Craig and as I said, what a shame to
expose all of this here publicly. But be sure that when I'll stop to read
false statements or that I'm providing "alternative facts", I won't need
anymore to write here.

Cheers,
--
Emeric Vallespi



2017-11-24 3:34 GMT+01:00 Craig Franklin <[email protected]>:

> Can I suggest to all parties that, as was the case last time this came up
> here, raking this conflict over the coals here on a mailing list where very
> few of us have direct knowledge of the situation, or the power to do
> anything about it in any case, is probably not helpful for anyone?  I am
> especially uncomfortable at the notion of the discussion of people's HR
> records and personal lives in a public forum such as this.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> On 24 November 2017 at 06:23, Xavier Combelle <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Emeric,
> >
> > When you say, that no sanction has filed his HR record, you are half or
> > completely lying.
> > The existence of a "rappel à l'ordre" (warning)
> > is an argument which can support fire someone of the staff so it should
> > be in a HR record.
> >
> > In the same way Sylvain never said he is writing his email on behalf of
> > an union of the employees of Wikimedia France
> > but that he is the representative of the the employees of Wikimedia
> > France which is plenty true.
> >
> > From the whole wikimedia france, movement, during the #wmfrgate, it was
> > only you Emeric and the old direction as a whole
> > that your declaration don't match the facts or your subsequent
> > declaration, as it it happened during the #bandeaugate in summer last
> year.
> >
> > I have still to see the said "lies" from your opponent which contradicts
> > other public information (apart the words of you and the old direction)
> >
> > Xavier Combelle
> >
> > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit :
> > > Sylvain,
> > >
> > > I have to answer to your email where you’re especially lying.
> > > You say that you’re writing on behalf of a union section of the
> > employees of Wikimedia France but I’m personally curious to know the
> weight
> > of this union section. My question is actually: who else is represented
> by
> > your email, if not yourself?
> > >
> > > Moreover, you’re saying that you received a « warning » (?) because you
> > had a girlfriend. Is it serious?
> > > Your employer asked you to distinguish professional time and personal
> > time. Indeed, you were reminded that you had to dedicate your work hours
> to
> > the missions that were devoted to you and not to solve problems related
> to
> > your personal life, especially if it interferes with organization’s
> > activities and governance. It is also you who came, on your own, to tell
> us
> > about the complexity of your personal and relationship situation in order
> > to benefit of professional arrangements. The direction never looked for,
> > nor asked, any information on this subject.
> > >
> > > You’re mentioning the cancellation of the letter. Since, to my
> > knowledge, no sanction has been filed to your HR record, I do not really
> > see what have been canceled.
> > > I can understand that supporting your new board of trustees, involved
> in
> > the governance issues and in the criminal complaints filed is critical to
> > show your loyalty.
> > >
> > > Do you know how impatient am I to discover your next fable? I guess the
> > only one never mentioned yet is maybe about a murder or something
> (although
> > a streetfight scenario has already been invented x’D).
> > >
> > > I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the
> > community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not
> > deceived by a scenario built from scratch.
> > > Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous but public
> > accusations still shows that only personal interests and vainness matter
> in
> > this conflict with some people.
> > >
> > > For months, several lies have been told by different people. Because
> the
> > Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and
> > defaming people who question the probity and integrity of some of its
> > members doesn’t make of this lies the truth.
> > >
> > > Best regards to all of you,
> > > --
> > > Emeric Vallespi
> > >
> > >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 13:37, Sylvain Boissel <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Katherine,
> > >>
> > >> 2017-10-19 23:19 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[email protected]>:
> > >>
> > >>> [...]
> > >>> We are committed to working with the new Wikimédia France conseil
> > >>> d’administration (governing board) to support the French community as
> > they
> > >>> work to address and resolve these and other outstanding issues. The
> > >>> Wikimedia Foundation and the new leadership of Wikimédia France are
> > already
> > >>> cooperating to address the governance-related concerns raised by the
> > >>> volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee in the first half of 2017. As
> > part
> > >>> of this work, we have encouraged them to review how they will
> > independently
> > >>> handle claims of harassment in the future. The Wikimedia Foundation
> and
> > >>> Wikimédia France share a common goal: a healthy, welcoming,
> respectful,
> > >>> inclusive Wikimedia community in France.
> > >>>
> > >>> I know I am not alone in my dismay for how these events have
> unfolded.
> > Many
> > >>> dedicated, good-faith members of the French community, including
> > current
> > >>> community members and present and former Wikimédia France board and
> > staff
> > >>> members, have experienced distress and anxiety over recent months.
> > Those
> > >>> outside of the community have watched with dismay as our peers and
> > friends
> > >>> have found themselves disoriented, distressed, alienated, or at odds
> > with
> > >>> one another. And yet we also know that many in France now feel a
> > renewed
> > >>> sense of purpose for building the healthy and welcoming community we
> > all
> > >>> desire.
> > >> As the representative of the local branch of the labor union
> > >> ASSO-Solidaires at Wikimédia France, I wanted to thank you and the WMF
> > >> staff members who took part in the site visit in Paris in July
> (namely
> > >> Katy Love, Winifred Olliff, Stephen Laporte and James Baldwin) for
> > hearing
> > >> the distress of the staff members at a time when Wikimédia France's
> > board
> > >> plainly refused to discuss with the staff.
> > >>
> > >> I also wanted to confirm that things are getting better with the new
> > board
> > >> elected in September.
> > >>
> > >> I cannot speak about what my coworkers went through without asking
> them
> > >> first, but I can share an example from my own story: in February, I
> was
> > >> issued a « rappel à l'ordre » (warning) by the former direction and
> > >> board, accusing
> > >> me of disloyalty to the chapter because I had a girlfriend. It was
> > >> cancelled this month by the new board, and this is a huge relief to
> me.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Sylvain.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Sylvain Boissel*
> > >> Délégué du personnel et Responsable de la section syndicale
> > ASSO-Solidaires
> > >> *WIKIMÉDIA FRANCE*
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