One must have the courage of one's words and assume them. There is a very simple way of knowing who is lying: can Sylvain publish the letter in question? I will be really interested to see when he was punished for "having a girlfriend". Furthermore, I can't agree more with Craig and as I said, what a shame to expose all of this here publicly. But be sure that when I'll stop to read false statements or that I'm providing "alternative facts", I won't need anymore to write here.
Cheers, -- Emeric Vallespi 2017-11-24 3:34 GMT+01:00 Craig Franklin <[email protected]>: > Can I suggest to all parties that, as was the case last time this came up > here, raking this conflict over the coals here on a mailing list where very > few of us have direct knowledge of the situation, or the power to do > anything about it in any case, is probably not helpful for anyone? I am > especially uncomfortable at the notion of the discussion of people's HR > records and personal lives in a public forum such as this. > > Cheers, > Craig > > On 24 November 2017 at 06:23, Xavier Combelle <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Emeric, > > > > When you say, that no sanction has filed his HR record, you are half or > > completely lying. > > The existence of a "rappel à l'ordre" (warning) > > is an argument which can support fire someone of the staff so it should > > be in a HR record. > > > > In the same way Sylvain never said he is writing his email on behalf of > > an union of the employees of Wikimedia France > > but that he is the representative of the the employees of Wikimedia > > France which is plenty true. > > > > From the whole wikimedia france, movement, during the #wmfrgate, it was > > only you Emeric and the old direction as a whole > > that your declaration don't match the facts or your subsequent > > declaration, as it it happened during the #bandeaugate in summer last > year. > > > > I have still to see the said "lies" from your opponent which contradicts > > other public information (apart the words of you and the old direction) > > > > Xavier Combelle > > > > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : > > > Sylvain, > > > > > > I have to answer to your email where you’re especially lying. > > > You say that you’re writing on behalf of a union section of the > > employees of Wikimedia France but I’m personally curious to know the > weight > > of this union section. My question is actually: who else is represented > by > > your email, if not yourself? > > > > > > Moreover, you’re saying that you received a « warning » (?) because you > > had a girlfriend. Is it serious? > > > Your employer asked you to distinguish professional time and personal > > time. Indeed, you were reminded that you had to dedicate your work hours > to > > the missions that were devoted to you and not to solve problems related > to > > your personal life, especially if it interferes with organization’s > > activities and governance. It is also you who came, on your own, to tell > us > > about the complexity of your personal and relationship situation in order > > to benefit of professional arrangements. The direction never looked for, > > nor asked, any information on this subject. > > > > > > You’re mentioning the cancellation of the letter. Since, to my > > knowledge, no sanction has been filed to your HR record, I do not really > > see what have been canceled. > > > I can understand that supporting your new board of trustees, involved > in > > the governance issues and in the criminal complaints filed is critical to > > show your loyalty. > > > > > > Do you know how impatient am I to discover your next fable? I guess the > > only one never mentioned yet is maybe about a murder or something > (although > > a streetfight scenario has already been invented x’D). > > > > > > I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the > > community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not > > deceived by a scenario built from scratch. > > > Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous but public > > accusations still shows that only personal interests and vainness matter > in > > this conflict with some people. > > > > > > For months, several lies have been told by different people. Because > the > > Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and > > defaming people who question the probity and integrity of some of its > > members doesn’t make of this lies the truth. > > > > > > Best regards to all of you, > > > -- > > > Emeric Vallespi > > > > > >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 13:37, Sylvain Boissel < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Katherine, > > >> > > >> 2017-10-19 23:19 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[email protected]>: > > >> > > >>> [...] > > >>> We are committed to working with the new Wikimédia France conseil > > >>> d’administration (governing board) to support the French community as > > they > > >>> work to address and resolve these and other outstanding issues. The > > >>> Wikimedia Foundation and the new leadership of Wikimédia France are > > already > > >>> cooperating to address the governance-related concerns raised by the > > >>> volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee in the first half of 2017. As > > part > > >>> of this work, we have encouraged them to review how they will > > independently > > >>> handle claims of harassment in the future. The Wikimedia Foundation > and > > >>> Wikimédia France share a common goal: a healthy, welcoming, > respectful, > > >>> inclusive Wikimedia community in France. > > >>> > > >>> I know I am not alone in my dismay for how these events have > unfolded. > > Many > > >>> dedicated, good-faith members of the French community, including > > current > > >>> community members and present and former Wikimédia France board and > > staff > > >>> members, have experienced distress and anxiety over recent months. > > Those > > >>> outside of the community have watched with dismay as our peers and > > friends > > >>> have found themselves disoriented, distressed, alienated, or at odds > > with > > >>> one another. And yet we also know that many in France now feel a > > renewed > > >>> sense of purpose for building the healthy and welcoming community we > > all > > >>> desire. > > >> As the representative of the local branch of the labor union > > >> ASSO-Solidaires at Wikimédia France, I wanted to thank you and the WMF > > >> staff members who took part in the site visit in Paris in July > (namely > > >> Katy Love, Winifred Olliff, Stephen Laporte and James Baldwin) for > > hearing > > >> the distress of the staff members at a time when Wikimédia France's > > board > > >> plainly refused to discuss with the staff. > > >> > > >> I also wanted to confirm that things are getting better with the new > > board > > >> elected in September. > > >> > > >> I cannot speak about what my coworkers went through without asking > them > > >> first, but I can share an example from my own story: in February, I > was > > >> issued a « rappel à l'ordre » (warning) by the former direction and > > >> board, accusing > > >> me of disloyalty to the chapter because I had a girlfriend. It was > > >> cancelled this month by the new board, and this is a huge relief to > me. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Sylvain. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> *Sylvain Boissel* > > >> Délégué du personnel et Responsable de la section syndicale > > ASSO-Solidaires > > >> *WIKIMÉDIA FRANCE* > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
