The simple reply that a CC content is irrevocable shouldhave been enough to deal with this (Unless GoDaddy got confused,)
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > A message from your list moderators: > > This thread does not belong on this list. > > It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community, > and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution > through discussion on this list. Those particularly interested and able > can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia. > > However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that > can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective > way to seek help. > > As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment -- > investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement > department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not > benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list. > > The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki > they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already > pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything. > > Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed the > Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent > further escalation. > > (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both > sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil. WMF has not > yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several > alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.) > > A. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never > ends > > in a "reconciliation". > > > > Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity > mission. > > > > Vito > > > > < > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > Mail > > priva di virus. www.avast.com > > < > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < > > [email protected]>: > > > > > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links. > > > > > > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the > > mailing > > > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list > > > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more > suited > > > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal > > > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far > as > > > I'm concerned. > > > > > > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an > overview > > > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources > > which > > > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and > > > resources to do so. > > > > > > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective > as > > > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research > > > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project > > > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to > > create > > > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews. > > > > > > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up > > in > > > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > mathieu > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit : > > > > > >> Ended up with out the links, sorry: > > >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html > > >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118 > > >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24 > > >> > > >> Chico Venancio > > >> > > >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <[email protected]>: > > >> > > >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious > > >>> lies.* > > >>> > > >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site > down*.[1] > > >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and > Godaddy > > >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2] > > >>> > > >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil > > >>> that > > >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and > > >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of > > another > > >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with > > >>> either > > >>> myself or João. > > >>> > > >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the > > >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not > > >>> only > > >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation > > >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from. > > >>> > > >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our > > >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not > > >>> want > > >>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was > > on > > >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of > Wiki > > >>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of > > actually > > >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user > > >>> group, > > >>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed > > >>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a > > public > > >>> facebook thread. > > >>> > > >>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly > > invalid > > >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the > co-authors > > of > > >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly > > states > > >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license > > and > > >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an > affront > > to > > >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the > > user > > >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was > > not > > >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only > > >>> makes > > >>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption > of > > >>> good > > >>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from > the > > >>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João. > > >>> > > >>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement, > > >>> > > >>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment, > > >>> > > >>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio) > > >>> > > >>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade < > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> > > >>>> : > > >>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to > > write > > >>>> the > > >>>> story below. > > >>>> > > >>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted > > >>>> down > > >>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), > > and > > >>>> the > > >>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a > > >>>> "member" > > >>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses > > the > > >>>> username Joalpe. > > >>>> > > >>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email > informing > > >>>> me > > >>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from > > >>>> Joalpe > > >>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I > > >>>> CCBWIKI > > >>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper > > which > > >>>> he > > >>>> is a co-author. > > >>>> > > >>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a > > >>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying > WMF > > >>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading > > >>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In > > the > > >>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu > > >>>> Brazil > > >>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was > > bothered > > >>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the > site > > >>>> the > > >>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0 > > >>>> license. > > >>>> > > >>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two > days > > >>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the > > Wiki > > >>>> Edu > > >>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have > > >>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for > Research, > > >>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São > > Paulo > > >>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski. > > >>>> > > >>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the > > texts > > >>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of > the > > >>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish > > it, > > >>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies > that > > we > > >>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to > > CCBWIKI, > > >>>> where it would have been originally published. > > >>>> > > >>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not > > only > > >>>> was > > >>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons > publication > > >>>> could > > >>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his > > name > > >>>> did > > >>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author > of > > >>>> the > > >>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when > clicking > > >>>> on > > >>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published > > >>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon > > >>>> Alves > > >>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I > > did > > >>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now > > know > > >>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th. > > >>>> > > >>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his > > >>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our > authorization > > >>>> for > > >>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of > the > > >>>> paper > > >>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author > to > > >>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the > event > > >>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue > through > > >>>> the > > >>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he > would > > >>>> like > > >>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic > conference > > >>>> that > > >>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an > argument > > >>>> that > > >>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality > of > > >>>> Brazilian academy). > > >>>> > > >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The > DMCA > > >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted > file > > >>>> or > > >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously > > opt > > >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. > But > > >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour > > >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is > worth > > >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the > > >>>> domain > > >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the > previous > > >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in > > key > > >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to > the > > >>>> very > > >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order > > to > > >>>> request that the sites be republished. > > >>>> > > >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety > > and > > >>>> the > > >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support > > policies > > >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the > > >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not > > >>>> receive > > >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal > implications > > of > > >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with > > >>>> groups > > >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded > > that > > >>>> the > > >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing > > persecution. > > >>>> > > >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to > > >>>> deal > > >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could > not > > >>>> do > > >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just > > couldn’t > > >>>> do > > >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be > > >>>> something > > >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who > > >>>> denounces > > >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is > even > > a > > >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting! > > >>>> > > >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I > have > > >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying > done > > by > > >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive > > behavior > > >>>> of > > >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all > my > > >>>> time > > >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from > something I > > >>>> did > > >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move > the > > >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal > threat > > >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it! > > >>>> > > >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that > he > > >>>> leads > > >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach > > >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally > > threaten > > >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our > > movement > > >>>> to > > >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre > > >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way > > by > > >>>> the > > >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants, > be > > >>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our > > >>>> community! > > >>>> > > >>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask > for > > >>>> your > > >>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal > > world. I > > >>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and > the > > >>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3], addressed > to > > >>>> the > > >>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the > > >>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação > > Brasil > > >>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture movements > > in > > >>>> Brazil and in the world: > > >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- > > >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar > > >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- > > >>>> de-usar-a-justi> > > >>>> > > >>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear and > > >>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that > threatens > > >>>> not > > >>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free > knowledge. > > >>>> > > >>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free access > > to > > >>>> the > > >>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales > > >>>> > > >>>> Sincerely, > > >>>> > > >>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang) > > >>>> > > >>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org > > >>>> > > >>>> [2] > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ > > >>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016# > > >>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas > > >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ > > >>>> Events/Congresso_Cient> > > >>>> > > >>>> [3] > > >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- > > >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar > > >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- > > >>>> de-usar-a-justi> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >>>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >>>> i/Wikimedia-l > > >>>> New messages to: [email protected] > > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >>>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: [email protected] > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
