hi david, i'll respond inline.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Emrany <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi lodewijk > > I've altered the subject line at your suggestion. > thank you. > > The name of the case (and the opposite party) is equally well known to > Wikimedia-Legal. The first decision in the case is online at the WIPO > website, however, since it is still under litigation, I am not linking > to it under the WP:OUTING policies, and it would be far better that > whoever speaks for WMF links to it. > entirely different topic. lets no mingle that. > > I am categorically saying > > 1) In 2016, WMF's Asian fund-raising campaign in SAARC began 2 or 3 > weeks before they started elsewhere, probably to coincide with the > local festive season when people are receptive to giving. > fundraising happens all over the world at different times - nobody is denying that, and I see no problem with that. > > 2) The WMF banner ads for SAARC did not discrimnate between logged-in > users and readers. > that is your claim, so much is clear. Do you have anything to back that up in other accounts. Also, this does not consider the simple possibility of human error. > > 3) Perhaps WMF learned from all this and adapted it to their non-Asian > ad banner / email solicitation campaigns which began from 29 Nov 2016 > ?. > I must say that seddon sounds better informed, and has a more plausable explanation, even if it were correct. > > 4) Perhaps you have an inherent COI in this case to suppress the > questionable means by how WMF funds / endowments are raised, because > you are on the consuming side ? > I mostly have beef with unfounded or unhelpful criticism. > > If it is evidence you want, try this for intelligent hounding ? > > https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/wikipedias-new-email- > campaign-is-a-master-class-in-emotional-intelligence.html i'm missing the relevance of the email campaign? > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/jimmy_wales_ > wikipedia_fundraising_promise/ i'm sorry, but where it comes to the register, i refuse to take their coverage serious. > > PS: I would certainly like specific clarity from WMF on how much was > paid in 2014-15 for legal services "to" Jonesday and how much was paid > "through" Jonesday. > > again, straying off-topic. lets not go there. best, lodewijk > warmly > > David > > On 9/11/17, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: > > hi david, > > > > as with your accusations regarding the spending, my question would be > > whether > > you have anything to substantiate it. Seddon was clear: it did not > happen, > > unless perhaps a human error in a minimal number of campaigns. If you > have > > that then please bring that up in a *separate* thead. > > > > you're going more and more off topic. I suggest that we return to the > > question > > at hand: the two stage loading problem. > > > > lodewijk > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, David Emrany <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Joseph > >> > >> Thanks for that link. > >> > >> *NB*: I hope that the list moderators shall not censor / block / unduly > >> delay this important internal conversation we are having concerning WMF > >> self-financing model. > >> > >> Since this concerns the WMF fund-raising drives of Nov-Dec 2016, I'm > >> linking to the following messages > >> > >> 1. *[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form > 990 > >> for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki* > >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084254.html > > > >> > >> *"WMF's sheer wastage of donated money (incl. lunch > >> money from Scottish schoolkids) on unnecessary litigation, I cite that > >> the single most prominent case they defended in the period was > >> apparently a domain name dispute (said to billed at US$ 317,490) in > >> which the opposite party (a Wikipedian of long standing) who had only > >> booked the domain name to prevent it from being snaffled by "cyber > >> squatters" had immediately offered to donate it WMF free of cost > >> before the case began. Had WMF accepted that voluntary and good faith > >> donation offer, they would have also got back 75% of the filing fees > >> (a not insubstantial amount). > >> > >> Dave"* > >> > >> > >> 2. *Reply by Greg Varnum (WMF) on this mailing list* > >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084276.html > > > >> > >> *"As for the question about why the Wikimedia Foundationspent $317,490 > >> fighting "cybersquatters" that offeredto donate the domain in dispute: > >> We’re not sure where this question comes from, as we haven’t dealt with > a > >> case that fits this description. We do not fight cybersquatters who > offer > >> to donate their domains (especially if they are community members),and, > to > >> date, we have not spent anything approachingthat much money on this type > >> of case."* > >> > >> 3. *Your donation keeps Wikipedia and free knowledge thriving* > >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/11/29/wikimedia- > foundation-annual-fundraiser/> > >> > >> "Legal defense to preserve your right to access, share, and remix > >> knowledge, including court battles won over Wikimedia content in Brazil > >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/09/14/rosanah-fienngo/>, Germany > >> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/08/09/victory-germany- > appeal-dismissed/>, > >> France <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/06/20/france-legal-victory/>, > and > >> India." > >> > >> including unreplied comments on why the India court battles were not > >> linked unlike the others > >> So to sum up: > >> > >> 1. The WMF form 990 says US law firm "JonesDay" received US$ 1,742,916 > >> for legal services in 2014-15 > >> > >> 2. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community how much of > >> that was spent on fighting a specific "cyber-squatter" from India (my > own > >> sources at the time said US$ 300,000 was paid by WMF to JonesDay for > this > >> case, mainly billable hours for JD partner Carrie Kiedrowski). > >> > >> 3. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community whether or not > >> this cyber squatter (who claims to be a community member since 2003) had > >> straightaway offered to donate the domain name free of cost to the WMF > >> and close the case, however, WMF rejected the offer and instead ran up > huge > >> legal bills which were financed by donations, and probably continues to > >> do so since that case is still ongoing in India's legal system . > >> > >> 4. I distinctly recall that when I was in India in mid-November 2016, > >> attending the Opendaylight Linux forum in Bengaluru and incidentally > >> discussing there the progress of this legal case with the other party > who > >> was an attendee, I was bombarded with WMF donation banner-ads, as a > >> logged-in user, which carried through till mid-December 2016 when I was > >> at Sri Lanka and Kathmandu but which curiously stopped when I reached > >> Austraila. > >> > >> 5. So, as a community member and contributor, I would like to know how > >> every dollar raised by WMF is collected, and also spent thereafter. > >> > >> Warmly > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joseph Seddon <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi David, > >>> > >>> I would refer to my answer I gave on the forked thread relating to this > >>> topic. > >>> > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-Septe > >>> mber/088570.html > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Seddon > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > >>> i/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: [email protected] > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
