David Cuenca Tudela, Looking at the proposed grant you only asked for 36000, you get that, then you decided that the WMF is being greedy and you now want more money. If you need 72,000 should not your initial request realized that and adjusted the requesting amount accordingly? I will also note that the WMF is fairly careful on how they send their money because they are accountable for how its used. Honestly if I had someone coming to me with a estimated price tag, only to come back fairly quickly with an updated cost of almost double I would question the persons competence and re-asses the initial decision to support them.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:41 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <[email protected]> wrote: > Hola Ivan, > > Así es, la idea es que la WMF pague las becas de viaje para la gente que no > se lo puede permitir, y el resto de la conferencia lo pagaría la WMDE. > > En este caso la cantidad para la bolsa de viaje me parece demasiada baja > para hacer que este evento (la primera vez que se realiza) funcione > adecuadamente. > > Saludos, > David > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Ivan Martínez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hola David. > > > > Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de > 36 > > 000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de > WMDE. > > ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias, > > quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario. > > > > Saludos, > > > > 2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]>: > > > > > hi David, > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has > > > > started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are > insuficient > > > to > > > > cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants > was > > > > 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR. > > > > > > > > > > You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small > > > Wikimedia chapter is, right? > > > > > > > > > > I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just > > giving > > > > breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in > > silence > > > > about this stinginess. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to > > spend > > > the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything > > > that > > > > > > > the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard > > > > seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so > > supervised > > > > that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the > community > > > and the FDC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think > > that > > > > in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts > > > compared > > > > to the money that the WMF has collected from donors. > > > > > > > > > > I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions > > with > > > respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely > you > > > will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be > > > insignificant. > > > > > > best, > > > > > > dariusz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Iván Martínez* > > > > *Presidente - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * > > > > // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una > > moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. > > // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
