Yes but we are speaking about Turkey. Kiwix is offline but also *portable*. It's sufficient to download once and to distribute many times.
Kind regards Il 08 Mag 2017 12:11, "Gabriel Thullen" <[email protected]> ha scritto: > Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no > internet access can get Kiwix and that means that we do need to "clone > Wikipedia content". > It is quite expensive to download Kiwix because of the huge data charge > that it implies, and it also takes for ever with a poor connection. We tend > to forget that when we live in countries where we have 24H 7/7 unlimited > internet... > > Best regards > Gabe > > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia > > zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly > addressed. > > We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero > services, > > as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them. > > > > Regards > > On May 8, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A > > > governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block > > > internet. > > > > > > The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for > > > downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content. > > > > > > However that approach will save readers but not writers. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen" <[email protected]> ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix > > > > Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries > > that > > > > have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to > > > block > > > > the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia > > Zero > > > > will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block on > > > > kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the > good > > > old > > > > sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a viable option... > > > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel > > > through > > > > > Tor by default - in the spirit of The Guardian project. Informing > > users > > > > > about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact > that > > > most > > > > > people will not be able to grasp it. > > > > > > > > > > Dariusz Jemielniak > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to > > > keep > > > > in > > > > > > mind: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Access > > > > > > > > > > > > over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially > > hindered > > > > by > > > > > > governments but also technical and monetary realities in various > > > > country > > > > > > and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do > > work > > > in > > > > > > this area with initiatives like Wikipedia Zero and Offline > > Wikipedia > > > / > > > > > > Kiwix. > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1]. The > > > start > > > > of > > > > > > > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work > > > reading, > > > > > > > sorting, and summarizing more than 1,800 community member > > > statements, > > > > > > from > > > > > > > more than 100 community discussions from across five > continents. > > > Each > > > > > of > > > > > > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we > want > > > to > > > > > > build > > > > > > > or achieve together over the next 15 years?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find the full report on the major themes, and more > > details > > > > > about > > > > > > > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some common themes emerged from these conversations: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content > > > > > > > * Community health & support > > > > > > > * Internal & external collaboration > > > > > > > * Improved and new features > > > > > > > * Users, editors, & contributors > > > > > > > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion > > > > > > > * Innovation and adaptation > > > > > > > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs > > > > > > > * Support for emerging communities > > > > > > > * Advancing Wikipedia in education > > > > > > > * Movement values > > > > > > > * Sustainability & growth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the > body > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis > will > > be > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these > themes > > > > > > together, > > > > > > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in the > > > next > > > > > > cycle. > > > > > > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the > grouping > > > and > > > > > > > analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make > sure > > we > > > > can > > > > > > get > > > > > > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions until > > > next > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked Wikipedia > > in > > > > > Turkey > > > > > > > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to understand > > the > > > > > > > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing in > > > > Turkish > > > > > > > court. We’re grateful to everyone who has reached out to offer > us > > > > your > > > > > > > thoughts and perspective. Government limitations on free > > knowledge > > > > are > > > > > > just > > > > > > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the > movement > > > > > strategy > > > > > > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has > > been > > > a > > > > > > > reminder for me how important our work is, and how it has very > > real > > > > > > > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of yourself”), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on > > > > > > Meta-Wiki.[3] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > > > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish- > > > > > > authorities-block-wikipedia/ > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > > > > movement/2017/Updates/5_May_2017_-_Update_15_on_Wikimedia_ > > > > > > > movement_strategy_process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Katherine Maher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > > 149 New Montgomery Street > > > > > > > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 > > > > > > > +1 (415) 712 4873 > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > > > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > James Heilman > > > > > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > > > > > > > > > > > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak > > > > > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego > > > > > i grupy badawczej NeRDS > > > > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego > > > > > http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl > > > > > > > > > > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk > > > > > > > > > > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? > An > > > > > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego > > > > > autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 > > > > > > > > > > Recenzje > > > > > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml > > > > > Pacific Standard: > > > > > http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/ > > > > killed-wikipedia-93777/ > > > > > Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of- > > > > wikipedia > > > > > The Wikipedian: > > > > > http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak- > > > common-knowledge > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
