As I said, some of this is WMF-specific. For example, WMF could coordinate its requests for surveys and consultations so that they happen on a predictable monthly basis instead of sending what feels like 10+ notifications every month for separate consultations and surveys, with some of those being repeat requests (personally I think a ceiling of 2 requests per consultation/survey would be appropriate). I'm in favor of consultations, but there can be too much of a good thing. Information overload is as much of a problem as lack of communication.
I don't have a solution to this package of problems, but I think it would be worth researching and trying to refine information flows for greater efficiency and effectiveness, and to make more effective use of everyone's time. I imagine that large organizations (e.g. IBM) have people whose jobs are focused on improving information workflows within their organization, and I think that WMF and the community could benefit from that kind of approach to communications and information management. Pine On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: > (branching this into a new thread as it gets quite off topic) > > Pine: Why do you think the solution lies with the Wikimedia Foundation? > > Lodewijk > > 2017-03-18 22:52 GMT+01:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: > > > My point is more or less the same one that you're making. Communications > > (too much and too little) and information overload are both challenges. I > > don't think there's going to be a silver bullet solution, but I hope that > > WMF will invest effort into addressing this set of problems during the > next > > Annual Plan. Some of this is WMF-specific, but some of it also relates to > > how we've organized ourselves in the community through organic growth and > > over time we've developed so many channels that one wonders if we would > > benefit from some consolidation and pruning. > > > > Pine > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You mean, "how to deal with people who complain they weren't consulted > > > then turn around and complain they were excessively consulted"? At > > > this point, the appropriate thing would be to put forward a plausible > > > solution rather than complain they did the thing you claimed they > > > hadn't sufficiently done. > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 March 2017 at 20:39, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > That last paragraph assumes that people (1) know where to look and > (2) > > > have > > > > hours to spend watching countless channels for announcements. On the > > > other > > > > hand, there's also a problem of burying people in so many > > announcements, > > > > surveys, and consultations that people start to tune it all out. This > > is > > > > part of a larger set of communications and "information overload" > > > problems > > > > that I'm hoping that WMF will address, particularly during its next > > > Annual > > > > Plan. > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
