Doc James has asked Jimbo to release a 30 December 2015 email from Jimbo to
James, which explained the reasons for the removal. [1]

Apparently referring to James's removal, Jimbo has called for "full
publication of the details." [2]

Given that both parties have requested transparency, and that James seems
to regard that email as significant, is anything preventing its release?

Sarah


[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=700371563&oldid=700371273

[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=707188382

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks for the contributions.
>
> I can imagine that it is reasonable
> * that the WMF Board deems it impossible to work together with a
> specific board member;
> * that the WMF Board deems it impossible to publish the reasons for the
> removal;
> * that the WMF Board calls the removed board member to be ineligible
> for future elections.
>
> What my problem is, is that the WMF Board takes all these decisions by
> itself. The WMF Board acted as prosecutor, judge and executioner in
> one organ. The Dutch would say: The butcher is reviewing his own meat.
> It becomes easy to criticise such a board.
>
> The present situation is unfair to the removed member who is blamed in
> public without a public information about the reason. The removed
> board member also can only appeal to the very organ that removed him.
>
> The present situation is furthermore a devastating signal to the
> voters. The removal decreases the value of the community elections and
> makes all board seats questionable. The ultimate election is made by
> the WMF Board, not the community, it seems.
>
> As solutions I can imagine
> * to create an arbitration organ for these decisions; or
> * to let the voters decide whether they want to send the removed board
> member back to the board.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
> 2016-02-27 20:02 GMT+01:00 Kevin Gorman <[email protected]>:
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Maria's appointment should be viewed as a replacement to that of Arnnon
> > Geshuri.  I like her, and I think she'd stand a fair chance in a
> community
> > election, but she is not and cannot be described as a community selected
> > trustee at present.  It's perfectly possible for boards to have members
> on
> > it that don't get along, even of large organizations.  I've been a
> trustee
> > of a sizable organization and had significant disagreements with at least
> > one other trustee - more significant than those between Jimmy and James.
> > The fact that there is animosity between board members isn't a barrier to
> > having a productive board.  It's disingenious, at best, to say that James
> > was dismissed because he spoke out about the knowledge engine, etc.
> James
> > had conversations with employees not related to the knowledge engine, but
> > related to other significant issues at the WMF.  It's best practice to
> > inform the ED when board talks to staff, but only if informing the ED
> would
> > not harm the purpose of those conversations - and in this case it would.
> > I'm also going to state here that I've had a number of conversations with
> > employees in the same time frame James was having them, and that combined
> > with other details is why I am absolutely convinced they were necessary.
> >
> > One of the first leveled and oftened returned to statements as to why
> James
> > was removed was that he had conversations with employees that were
> > inappropriate.  Every employee who has come forward stating they had
> > conversations with James has stated that those conversations were
> > necessary, and exactly the type of conversation that a trustee should be
> > having when the situation has gotten to a point where they are,
> > unfortunately, necessary.  James had the trust of both the community and
> > many WMF employees, which is why so many people who felt they needed to
> > talk went to him.  I have no doubt that many other trustees were doing
> > important less visible work, many probably even about the same problem,
> but
> > James was handling an element of it - direct communication with
> employees -
> > that was absolutely necessary for the continued success of the
> Foundation,
> > even if all other aspects had been handled.
> >
> > It's unfortunate that James and Jimmy have gotten in to it in public,
> but -
> > I hate to say this, but there's no other way around it - Jimmy should be
> > embarassed.  He's been exceptionally disrespectful of a respected
> community
> > member, but worse than that, he's flat out lied on multiple occasions
> about
> > the situation involving James.  If someone challenges me on that
> statement,
> > as I have time, I will compile a list of diffs and archived emails in
> which
> > he's done so. If the situation between James and Jimmy is such that a
> > healthy board dynamic with both as trustees is not possible, then frankly
> > Jimmy should step down, or at a minimum give up the concept of a
> Founder's
> > seat, convert it to a community elected seat, stay on as a board member
> > until the next elections, and then run as an ordinary community member in
> > the next set of elections.
> >
> > I think it should also be stated for the public record that Jimmy was the
> > individual who pushed for Lila's stay to be extended (and I like Lila, I
> > really do,) and for trustees to not speak with the day to day WMF
> employees
> > that have formed the backbone of the WMF side of the movement.  I also
> > don't know who put the FAQ together, but want to point out that it's not
> > factually accurate to say that James cannot run in the next elections, as
> > at least one official FAQ stated at one point.  That would be true if he
> > was a community ELECTED board member removed for cause.  He wasn't, so
> the
> > relevant provision doesn't apply, and he's eligible to run again as soon
> as
> > there are faux-elections again.
> >
> > ----
> > Kevin Gorman
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:26 AM, James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I am willing to return to my seat on the board and continue to push for
> >> greater transparency and improved WMF / community relations. Otherwise I
> >> plan to run in the next community (s)election.
> >>
> >> Lila's stepping down is an important first step towards putting the WMF
> >> back together again and I would like to thank the current board for
> taking
> >> that step. We have a number of C-levels who are able to do an excellent
> job
> >> as interim ED. I will post more about this soon but am just heading out
> to
> >> ski.
> >>
> >> --
> >> James Heilman
> >> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >>
> >> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
> >> www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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