I do think though that the longer the promised statement takes, the more
it'll look like spin rather than truth.  I agree that "rushed" is bad, but
"prompt" should still be a goal.  I suppose it doesn't help that
potentially some of the folks at WMF Legal are relaxing on a proverbial
beach on a Christmas getaway, blissfully unaware that this is happening.

Cheers,
Craig

On 30 December 2015 at 16:34, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am not so ready to throw stones (: Perhaps because I have had one-on-one
> conversations with a number of people involved in this situation, and I
> would like to believe that they are all good people.
>
> Reports that are rushed can lead to mistaken conclusions. I'd rather get a
> comprehensive report than a rushed one. I do expect an explanation, soon,
> and I expect it will be provided with the kind of integrity and
> professionalism that I would hope everyone involved in this situation has.
>
> Pine
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Comet styles <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Well the longer this drags on, the more likelihood of us getting a
> > "false" answer ..it takes seconds to speak the truth, but days to
> > connive a lie..so i doubt we will get the 'truth' or atleast the full
> > truth..
> >
> > On 12/30/15, Craig Franklin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Brad for spotting this and bringing it here, and also to Jimbo
> for
> > > filling in a few more details.
> > >
> > > Just as an aside, my thinking is that this must have needed to be an
> > > emergency action.  Because if the BoT has been mulling this over for
> > > awhile, it would be very poor governance to not have a strategy for how
> > > this would be communicated, and to only have WMF Legal on the case
> after
> > > the fact.  We already see this thread filling up with a bunch of
> > > speculation that is unhelpful and unhealthy, not just for James but
> also
> > > for the BoT and the movement in general.  I trust that there will be an
> > > explanation forthcoming, not only for why James has been removed in
> this
> > > way, but also for why there was seemingly not any planning for how to
> > deal
> > > with the fallout of that decision.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > On 30 December 2015 at 03:47, Newyorkbrad <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don't think it's been mentioned on this list that Jimmy Wales (one
> > >> of the board members) commented about this matter today on his En-WP
> > >> talkpage.  Since I assume many people on this list don't follow that
> > >> page, I have copied his comment below:
> > >>
> > >> "Hi everyone.  I couldn't possibly agree more that this should have
> > >> been announced with a full and clear and transparent and NPOV
> > >> explanation.  Why didn't that happen?  Because James chose to post
> > >> about it before we even concluded the meeting and before we had even
> > >> begun to discuss what an announcement should say.  WMF legal has asked
> > >> the board to refrain from further comment until they've reviewed what
> > >> can be said - this is analogous in some ways to personnel issues.
> > >> Ideally, you would have heard about this a couple of days from now
> > >> when a mutual statement by James and the board had been agreed. For
> > >> now, please be patient.  Accuracy is critically important here, and to
> > >> have 9 board members posting their own first impressions would be more
> > >> likely to give rise to confusions. -- Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:35, 29
> > >> December 2015 (UTC)"
> > >>
> > >> I'm not endorsing Jimbo's comment -- or the reverse -- as I frankly
> > >> find this whole situation strange and unfortunate.  However, it seems
> > >> relevant and I thought people in this discussion might want to be
> > >> aware of it..
> > >>
> > >> I also agree that the information about the two new board members
> > >> should be circulated promptly.
> > >>
> > >> Newyorkbrad/IBM
> > >>
> > >> On 12/29/15, Steinsplitter Wiki <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > The removal is not transparent at all.
> > >> >
> > >> > Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words
> > >> > different.
> > >> >
> > >> > Very disappointing.
> > >> >
> > >> >> From: [email protected]
> > >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100
> > >> >> To: [email protected]
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >> >> > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself,
> > at
> > >> >> > least
> > >> >> > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to
> > be
> > >> >> > able
> > >> >> > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board
> of
> > >> >> > Trustees bylaws explicitly allow for removal of a member, with or
> > >> >> > without
> > >> >> > cause. Unlike in older Board resolutions, there's a clear public
> > >> >> > accounting of how each of the Board members voted (as opposed to
> > >> simple
> > >> >> > numeric totals). James posted that he will work with Patricio to
> > >> provide
> > >> >>
> > >> >> like others on this thread i think the WMF bylaws are broken in
> this
> > >> >> respect. not legally broken, but morally. i'd love to vote for a
> > >> >> trustee, and i'd love to reverse my decision in case a sufficient
> > >> >> party is not happy. if in this case james does not want to have a
> > >> >> public discussion he is free to resign. if the board thinks it
> cannot
> > >> >> work with james anymore, and is able to remove him without him
> beeing
> > >> >> ok with it, without public discussion, then i do not find it
> > >> >> transparent.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> best,
> > >> >> rupert
> > >> >>
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