If a local community wants this, they can create such of course. But I think most visitors from Wikipedia do not visit the Main Page.
2015-08-20 7:41 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa <[email protected]>: > Any reasons the WLM 'banner' can't become a Main Page panel like the ones > on Commons? > > > Il 20/08/2015 07:26, Risker ha scritto: > >> I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, >> but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other >> options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, >> perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says "Upload images for >> Wiki Loves Monuments here!" may be technically feasible. It's not quite >> the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at >> least. (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the >> WLM >> banners in rotation.) >> >> Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both >> of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of >> them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that >> specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing >> list. >> I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to >> come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of >>> organising every Wiki Loves Monuments. >>> >>> The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of >>> Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing >>> content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in >>> this >>> field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the >>> majority of the people. >>> >>> Romaine >>> >>> 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni <[email protected]>: >>> >>> I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's >>>> >>> very >>> >>>> easy to remember "go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the top". >>>> It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest (in >>>> Italy it's still called "Wiki Loves Monuments", even if it's English). >>>> >>>> And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody knows >>>> homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot >>>> >>> count >>> >>>> the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing page). >>>> >>>> Aubrey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There's a more general problem here we should fix: >>>>>> >>>>>> We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off >>>>>> dramatically after the first few views. So there's rarely a reason >>>>>> >>>>> to >>> >>>> run >>>>> >>>>>> a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to >>>>>> >>>>> run. >>> >>>> I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising experience >>>>> to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like WLM >>>>> - to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles. >>>>> >>>>> The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see it, >>>>> and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate, you >>>>> probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either; while >>>>> if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So the >>>>> banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has progressively >>>>> less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are >>>>> relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide "I'll >>>>> sleep on it", then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*, >>>>> well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking for >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - "go off, do something, >>>>> and come back again to tell us about it". >>>>> >>>>> The most desired outcome is probably that a previously uninvolved >>>>> person will see it, click through, think "that sounds fun", and go off >>>>> to take some photos - after all, it's running all month, they can do >>>>> it at the weekend. A few days later they come back, and want to upload >>>>> their photos... but if the banner's not there on Wikipedia, they won't >>>>> really know where to go. They might not remember the name ("Wiki >>>>> something?"), making it hard to search for the contest, and they >>>>> probably didn't bookmark the WLM pages. There isn't anything else on >>>>> the page that would help to take them there, and if they're not >>>>> involved in the projects already they probably won't know where the >>>>> information's likely to be. If we can't make sure they can find WLM >>>>> easily when they return, then we've wasted the original call to >>>>> action, we've wasted the potential contributions, *and*, most >>>>> importantly, we've wasted their time and goodwill. >>>>> >>>>> I think this difference in intended response styles makes it hard to >>>>> generalise from the "diminishing returns" experienced on fundraising. >>>>> Yes, a repeated banner will get progressively diminishing >>>>> clickthroughs. But with WLM, those second clickthroughs in some ways >>>>> provide the "value" to the first clickthrough - they need to return to >>>>> make the campaign a success, which isn't really a concern for >>>>> fundraising. We need to make sure that that channel is open and >>>>> visible in some way when they come back. >>>>> >>>>> Andrew. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Andrew Gray >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
