James you are sure not to be late to the party when cameras like Samsung Galaxy or better with Android os are available? http://m.distrelec.ch/en/galaxy-gc200-digital-camera-black-samsung-ek-gc200zkaaut/p/30002970?channel=B2C&gclid=CL2hxpOgjccCFS7KtAodl8cDBA
Rupert On Aug 1, 2015 2:34 AM, "James Forrester" <[email protected]> wrote: > On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs > on > > Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could > it > > be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = > > VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to > > contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks > its > > a priority for WMF. > > > > While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. > I > > am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media > > harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new > > users to Wikipedia. > > > > > > As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English > > speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with > > ease: > > > > 1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload > > > > I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the > key problem. > > The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and > especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that > encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles > is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a > mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on > the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of > which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The > old tickets at > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed > comments about this being the "Selfie Apocalypse". > > The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but > helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what > is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We > don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution – > we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several > photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax > people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure > others have better plans. > > > 2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are > > transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons > > > > 3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our > participants > > > > 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy" > > > > 6) Insert metadata, takes a long time: > > > > e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times > you > > have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, > > cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, > > Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to > > the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, > > *category:Cathedrals > > in Iowa*). > > > [Answering these three together.] > > > Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it > possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on > , and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the > information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people > upload files without enough information for the community to triage and > ensure are as high quality as possible. > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717 > > > > > > is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be > the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in > wikitext as well, of course). > > > > > > 4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we > > need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue > > > > That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the > software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This > would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with > 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to > contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons > for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English. > > You can see some thoughts on this at: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap > > > Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to > > Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years? > > > > Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-) > > Yours, > -- > James D. Forrester > Lead Product Manager, Editing > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > [email protected] | @jdforrester > > On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs > on > > Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could > it > > be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors = > > VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study "wikicode" to be able to > > contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks > its > > a priority for WMF. > > > > While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. > I > > am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media > > harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new > > users to Wikipedia. > > > > > > As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English > > speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with > > ease: > > > > 1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload > > > > 2) newbies are lost, when they click on "Upload image" and they are > > transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons > > > > 3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our > participants > > > > 4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we > > need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue > > > > 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty "techy" > > > > 6) Insert metadata, takes a long time: > > > > e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times > you > > have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines, > > cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines, > > Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to > > the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*, > > *category:Cathedrals > > in Iowa*). > > > > Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images > > much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects - > > Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in > Commons. > > Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to > > Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years? > > > > Thank you very much for your concern! > > > > Regards, > > > > Juandev > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > James D. 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