Of course you're very correct that there are many projects sitting around
asking for scrutiny - the difference here is the (potential of) funding
would be default yes instead of default no, with the discussion just around
the priority. I expect that would attract a lot more attention very quickly
indeed.

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On 25 February 2015 at 15:38, Sydney Poore <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm pretty concerned that the systematic biases in the wikimedia movement
> would be continued if there was no organized effort to do a comprehensive
> review of all proposals to see where we are lacking diversity. I'm in favor
> of having more focused funding calls like the Inspire Gender Gap campaign.
>
> A large part of the work of the community grant committees..IEG, PEG,
> FDC...is evaluating the feasibility of the projects, the impact of work,
> and giving feedback. This work needs the assistance of paid staff to make
> sure all the information needed to make decision is available. Then
> volunteers to look at the information and give a recommendation. I'm not
> clear on how the work flow you suggest would get the important aspects of
> the work accomplished.
>
> I'm not opposed to a group outside of WMF taking over this type of work.
> But there was a huge vacuum in the movement around Learning and Evaluation
> until recently.  The WMF began doing this work for lack of anyone else
> doing it well. At this point, I can't see an independent organization being
> feasible.
>
> Instead of small Project and Event Grants, micro grants, or travel grants,
> many organizations are asking for unrestricted funds to pay for staff,
> offices, equipment, specialized staff for software development. They want
> to have funds to make long term plans with GLAM partner organizations. The
> evaluation of these large grant requests is extremely time consuming. Our
> current method of asking a group of volunteers to be available to this type
> of work a set period of time, and having it also open for other community
> comment seems to the best approach to make sure every project get a fair
> look.
>
> Today there are dozens of ideas for projects on meta waiting for people to
> comment and offer assistance of some type. I'm in favor of doing more to
> encourage members of the wikimedia movement to come to meta and join in
> working on them.
>
> IdeaLab.  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
>
> Wikipedian in Residence
> at Cochrane Collaboration
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Edward Saperia <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > This reminds me of a slightly heretical idea I had a while ago while
> > thinking about crowdfunding and WMF fundraising...
> >
> > Currently the WMF raises money via site banners, and spends these on
> > programmes and disburses them via grants, which go to all kinds of
> projects
> > - education, outreach, development, Wikimedians in Residence, etc etc.
> > Despite the relative openness of the WMF as an organisation, this is
> still
> > a very centralised, top down method of handling (the disbursement of)
> these
> > funds. If we're truly going down the "everything open, everything
> community
> > driven" route, the more consistent approach would be something like the
> > following:
> >
> > The community submit funding proposals for projects they want to do, of
> any
> > kind. Each has a campaign page with a description of the project (much
> like
> > a kickstarter page, with project milestones, background, team etc), a
> > monetary target they're trying to raise, and a banner design. These
> > projects compete for advertising time on the site banner via a community
> > curated queue; When they're at the top of this queue, they're displayed
> on
> > the banners, which lead to their project pages; if they hit their
> > fundraising target, they're taken down; if they have a low conversion
> rate
> > (% of views that lead to donations), they're demoted down the queue and,
> if
> > persistently low, rejected entirely.
> >
> > The criteria for prioritisation of projects in the queue and the vetting
> of
> > project quality is done organically by the community, who would create
> and
> > evolve guidelines and policies. The actual handling of the queue could be
> > done algorithmically via an openly editable algorithm, or even done
> > manually like with e.g. WP:ITN - you'd just need a widget that tells you
> > how much a given project has raised so far and what the conversion rate
> is.
> > If the community is concerned about people being shown too many banners,
> we
> > dial down the number of people being shown banners, or raise the bar in
> > terms of acceptable conversion rates.
> >
> > If a project raises money and is ultimately considered a failure, then
> > hopefully the community will learn from this and provide more support /
> be
> > more careful with that kind of project in the future. However, one hopes
> > that this will also allow for bolder project ideas to get off the ground,
> > and also allow for a much larger amount of small funding to go to many
> > small projects, as there is no centralised grants body that has to
> process
> > them all.
> >
> > In order to pay for its own programmes, then, the WMF itself would have
> to
> > submit projects into this queue. Nobody would have to go to any
> centralised
> > body for money - all funds would be raised and disbursed via this one
> > channel. Operationally I suppose the WMF would provide the infrastructure
> > to actually receive and send out the money.
> >
> > You could even start getting clever with e.g. showing different campaigns
> > to readers from different geographical regions, or particular campaigns
> to
> > readers looking at articles from particular wikipedia categories, and I
> > imagine that kind of thing would start to evolve on its own.
> >
> > It really struck me that the discussions around the centralnotice
> > fundraising banners fell into a classic pattern; one centralised team
> doing
> > their best, but being overwhelmed by feedback from a large community.
> This
> > model puts all this attention to good use.
> >
> > *Edward Saperia*
> > Conference Director for Wikimania 2014 <http://www.wikimanialondon.org>
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> > On 24 February 2015 at 18:54, Sage Ross <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Austin Hair <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > With more and more Wikimedians engaging in crowdfunding, I suppose we
> > > > can talk about whether the mailing list for Wikimedia movement
> > > > organization is the place to advertise in this way. For my part, I
> > > > don't think a simple (i.e., without any additional context) "please
> > > > check out this Indiegogo" is any different from "hey, check out my
> > > > blog," so when the last one came through the queue I rejected it
> > > > without much thought. It certainly wasn't done with any prejudice.
> > > >
> > >
> > > For my part, I always like to see crowdfunding pitches from
> > > Wikimedians. There haven't been *that* many of them (maybe 8 or 10?),
> > > and so far they've all (that I've seen) come from prolific
> > > contributors.
> > >
> > > These crowdfunding pitches generally take a lot more effort to put
> > > together than a blog post does, and they are also easy and satisfying
> > > to act on. If I can take 3 minutes and a few dollars to simultaneously
> > > say thanks to a great contributor and help them make even better
> > > contributions, I'm grateful for that opportunity.
> > >
> > > -Sage
> > >
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