I am a dev and am willing to replace a tool when it dies. I have a fairly
large infrastructure of code that makes it fairly easy

On Sunday, February 22, 2015, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]>
wrote:

> One of the areas that I would like to see the foundation putting in money
> is for the running and maintenance of wanted orphan bots. Wanted in the
> sense that editors are using them or would if they were still running, and
> orphan in the sense that the original developer isn't around or available
> to run them/migrate them to the latest platform.
>
> If we work on the premise that community funds should go for things that
> volunteers want to have happen but aren't volunteering to do, then this is
> a classic and uncontentious niche. Programmers like to write new code and
> solve new problems, but the person with the idea or who writes new code
> doesn't always have the time and motivation to keep maintaining and running
> that code, let alone creating slightly bespoke version for scores of our
> thousand wikis.
>
> Now it may be that we are in an unusual situation that the migration from
> toolserver to labs has cost us a number of bots that would otherwise have
> continued for years. But there will always be demand to localise existing
> bots for wikis where they don't currently run, and in the long run all of
> our volunteer bot writers are likely to move on.
>
> Employing a python programmer or two somewhere cheap like India or South
> America would not be a huge investment for the foundation, but it would be
> a valuable service to the community, and unlike mediawiki development this
> could be completely volunteer driven with wikimedians deciding which bots
> are worth maintaining and their relative priority.
>
> Disclosure: whilst I'm not pitching for the money for this, I would be
> front of the queue to ask such a maintainer to take on bots that I used to
> use the results of and in at least one case which I designed.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
>
>
> > On 22 Feb 2015, at 11:42, [email protected]
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:39:31 -0800
> > From: Erik Moeller <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]
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> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for
> >    grant funding (renamed)
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> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:19 PM, MZMcBride <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Erik seems to be pushing toward a model that favors using OAuth and the
> >> MediaWiki API over "deep integration" that comes with a MediaWiki
> >> extension. He recently mentioned this here:
> >>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/glamtools/2015-February/000343.html
> >>
> >> He may be right that development for deployment to the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation cluster may not be the best approach for every project, but I
> >> think this view overlooks all the very real benefits that extension
> >> deployment includes.
> >
> > I don't think one size fits all -- every case needs to be judged on
> > its merits, though in the case of GLAMWikiToolset I am definitely
> > arguing for considering separation from the MediaWiki codebase because
> > it is so highly specialized. I also think we sometimes still have a
> > tendency to underestimate the value of non-MediaWiki tools and apps,
> > even though they've contributed millions of edits to Wikimedia wikis
> > already (though to be fair, without Magnus Manske the tally would not
> > be nearly as awesome).
> >
> > Regarding the criteria for grantmaking, I think this initial blanket
> > prohibition against all MediaWiki extension development is indeed
> > something we ought to revisit. These grants can cover tens of
> > thousands of dollars of paid work, so we shouldn't treat the review
> > and integration burden lightly, and avoiding stalled projects that are
> > going nowhere was a reason I advocated for this restriction to begin
> > with. But as long as there is a good plan in place -- either not
> > significantly dependent on WMF or with clear commitments negotiated
> > upfront -- I do agree that the risks can be significantly mitigated.
> >
> > Damon, Luis and members of their teams will need to weigh in on this,
> > and will want to think through the implications for their respective
> > areas, but it's a good conversation to have -- keeping in mind that
> > Luis is just starting in his new role, so please give him at least a
> > few days to get up to speed. ;-)
> >
> > Erik
> > --
> > Erik Möller
> > VP of Product & Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:12:02 -0800
> > From: Luis Villa <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]
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> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for
> >    grant funding (renamed)
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> >
> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Erik Moeller <[email protected]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Damon, Luis and members of their teams will need to weigh in on this,
> >> and will want to think through the implications for their respective
> >> areas, but it's a good conversation to have -- keeping in mind that
> >> Luis is just starting in his new role, so please give him at least a
> >> few days to get up to speed. ;-)
> >
> > Thanks for at least a few hours of cushion, Erik ;)
> >
> > I'm a big believer in the power of/need for software tools, and at least
> > philosophically I'm very open to funding software development outside the
> > Foundation (though obviously there are lots of pragmatic difficulties -
> > code review, etc.) So, yes, as part of our broader review of how we
> support
> > communities and contributor growth, CE will look at funding code very
> > seriously.
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > --
> > Luis Villa
> > Sr. Director of Community Engagement
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> >
> >
>
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