Tim, I read that a bit differently. "Flow is an *experimental* but already feature rich alternative..."
"We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, *carefully picking use cases*." This looks to me like the kind of incremental rollout that is appropriate. The idea of users opting into Flow on their personal talk pages would also be a good development for testing purposes. I think Lila may also have some ideas about how to stage rollouts and integrate user feedback into the development process early and often. Pine On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Tim Davenport <[email protected]> wrote: > Erik Möller wrote: > > >> It's [Flow is] a system in early development, and has never been > advertised as anything else. > > ====== > > *This statement is simply not true.* > > See the WMF's 2014-15 annual plan: > https://archive.org/details/WikimediaFoundation2014-15AnnualPlan > > Page 20 (DIRECT QUOTE FOLLOWS): > > *FLOW* > > * Current state (June 2014): Flow is an experimental but already feature > rich alternative to talk pages which can be enabled by WMF on a per-page > basis and is currently used in production on a small number of 'real world' > pages, including a couple of WikiProjects and feedback pages for new > features. > > *Key Milestones* > > * We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, > carefully picking use cases. Example use cases may include: additional > WikiProjects, shared conversation spaces like Teahouse and Village Pump, > entire wikis willing to switch to Flow, etc. Success will be reflected in > adoption/participation metrics, targeting improved participation dynamics > relative to talk pages. > * By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015 --t.d.], we expect to > cover one major use case thoroughly (e.g. all user talk pages, all Village > Pump type pages, etc.) > * By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015. --t.d.], the team will > be a multi-device team, ready to maintain and develop the user experience > for phones, tablets, and desktops. > > (END QUOTE) > > > It is shocking to see an assertion from WMF's VP of Engineering and Product > Development that Flow has been consistently portrayed by WMF as nothing > more than "a system in early development." In actual fact, it has been > portrayed as more or less finished software heading for a rollout in the > near future, as the above clearly illustrates. > > Tim Davenport > "Carrite" on En-WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO > Corvallis, OR (USA) > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected]> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
