Tim and Erik's views aren't at all incompatible or mutually exclusive; they're just looking at opposite ends of the same problem, which stated fully is that experienced editors leave and the pace of new editors turning into experienced editors is too low to maintain a steady community size. Erik's list of possible solutions, and Tim's suggestion, are both quite reasonable methods for solving the complete problem. No large scale effort to improve editor retention should ignore half the problem, though, so the true bottom line goal ought to be both encouraging new people and making life easier for the folks that are already here.
Meanwhile, the project needs to adjust to its new realities. Even if some suite of solutions manages to improve the retention problem, it won't go away - fundamentally, the success of the project and its longevity are likely just as important factors as the editing environment. It doesn't come up a lot on this list, but Wikipedia's enormous success in accumulating content means that a much smaller potential group of people might be both willing and able to add more. Most topics that are popular or significant to large groups of English-writing people are already well covered, narrowing the opportunities for those folks (who, let's recall, generally don't have advanced expertise of the type amenable to Wikipedia articles) to contribute. For years this higher bar for the able and interested was offset by the influx of people dedicated to preserving what was already there, but technological improvements (AbuseFilter, anti-vandal bots, bots with admin buttons, human-driven but highly efficient tools like Huggle) has reduced opportunities in that arena as well. Which is all to say, it's totally expected that the population of both content contributors and vandal whackers will decline over time. So any complete statement of the problem, which ought to be the starting point for any efforts to solve it, should account for the awkward new editor experience, the difficulties facing long-term contributors, *and* the natural and inevitably growing attrition rate that we should reasonably expect to see. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
