On May 3, 2012, at 7:17 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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> On May 1, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <[email protected]>
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>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Richard, you removed some relevant language:
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>>> "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other
>>> users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to
>>> liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users,
>>> *you
>>> may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include:
>>> [..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable
>>> law."
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>>> I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in
>>> some way "anti-freedom" is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult
>>> to craft language to do that well.
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>>> ~Nathan
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>> Would you like an opportunity to phrase that language in a sense that does
>> not suggest Wikimedia is in support of laws that are "anti-freedom"?
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>> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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> It seems to be that the point of this section is that WMF does not condone
> users to use the sites in a fashion which breaks their local laws; therefore
> WMF itself may not be procesuted for conspiracy nor will WMF be liable
> civilly to users who were prosecuted locally and wish to recieve
> compensation. If the WMF did not disavow an intention to promote locally
> illegal things (like Germans printing Swatika images found on Commons), they
> would be open to liability that would result money going to lawyers. Really
> very, very few countries have a right to free speech as strong as the US,
> including countries were WMF actually has significant assets. China is not
> the issue here. Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live
> inside it, is neither wise nor ethical.
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Which is all slightly different from WMF actually making technically impossible
to circumvent local anti-freedom laws.
BirgitteSB
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