Hello all,

While preparing the report for the last Wikimedia Conference (which we will
publish on Friday), Daniela Gentner, our logistics coordinator, has written
a detailed learning pattern about how to support participants in getting a
(German) Schengen visa for the Wikimedia Conference. While it is certainly
focused on German processes, many steps and tips are applicable by any
organizer in any country.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns/Timing,_Communication,_Preparation:_How_to_support_your_event_participants_in_the_best_way_to_get_a_Schengen_Visa

Maybe this is could be a good start to collect resources and material
around this topic for future events.

Happy reading & sharing,
Cornelius


On 27 June 2017 at 02:49, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote:

> The creation of one or more learning patterns could be good here. Please
> see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Ellie Young <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I think the centralized place on meta is a great idea so we could put
>> tips, samples, and maybe even an 'advice line' for people who might be able
>> to help someone in a particular region.   If someone wants to start this
>> I'd be happy to add, edit, etc.
>>
>> Ellie
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Amir Ladsgroup <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a person who missed three events because of rejection of visa (one
>>> Wikimania, one Wikimedia Hackathon, one WikiArabia) and missed two other
>>> because couldn't event get an appointment with the embassy (DevSummits) I
>>> want to share my experience here. There is three parties involved in this
>>> case:
>>>
>>> - Participants:
>>>  -- If you are going to another country that has strict visa rules, you
>>> should be prepared and know what can go wrong. Usually make a group of
>>> people who are more experienced in Wikimedia events and ask them for help.
>>> This helped me in some events to get visa without trouble. One case I
>>> remember was when the invitation letter was from WMF and not the local
>>> chapter. It caused rejection of visa before me and once I knew it, I fixed
>>> it.
>>>  -- Be prepared for other options. For example, for Esino Lario one of
>>> my friends missed the event because he couldn't get appointment with the
>>> embassy, when I knew this is a problem, I tried the German embassy and got
>>> the visa ready in time. (Per Schengen laws, you need to make requests to
>>> the country you will stay the most, so I stayed in Germany for 11 days and
>>> Italy for 8 days to make things legal)
>>>  -- If you have an interview to justify your visa, definitely mention
>>> Wikipedia. People don't know what WMF is but all know Wikipedia and have
>>> positive feelings.
>>>  -- I know it's hard but let go sometimes: I decided not to go at this
>>> year's Wikimania just because the visa process is horrible and I need to
>>> travel to Turkey at least twice. Even though I know I miss a great event
>>> but let's hope to meet them soon.
>>>
>>> -WMF:
>>>   -- I know WMF is busy but I mentioned this several times to legal,
>>> support and safety and some other teams. People like me have problem going
>>> to events and there should be support for them. Two things were always said
>>> and I don't know why it's not being done, 1- Prepare a centralized place
>>> (probably in meta) so people share experience to help newbies to get visa
>>> documents right. I have seen lots of problems in the documents my friends
>>> need to prepare for the visa and helped them to get it right before it gets
>>> rejected but I had to meet them in person and it's an exclusive club of
>>> people I know. I want to open this knowledge to others.
>>>   -- The other option I always mentioning is support for getting one
>>> multiple entries visa instead of getting one visa for each event, This is
>>> very true for European events. This would make life of lots of people way
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> Local chapters:
>>>  -- When there is a Wikimania, a local chapter will be handling process
>>> of visa for lots of countries with different issues. Sometimes they handle
>>> it perfectly and other problems might be the reason for rejection but
>>> sometimes I need to come back to them and ask for more documents which
>>> increases the chance of rejection or visa not being issued in time. They
>>> usually consult with an immigration lawyer before the process, this needs
>>> to be increased and WMF needs to make sure these consults happen.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the long email. I hope this would be helpful for you.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM Ilario valdelli <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/06/2017 02:00, Ellie Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Gabriel Thullen <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a few comments:
>>>>> 1)
>>>>> We do not know how the Montreal venue was selected for Wikimania.
>>>>> Jean-Philippe said:
>>>>> "A "Wikimania Montreal Committee", now defunct, was behind the request
>>>>> to WMF to have Wikimania in Montreal and they did not coordinate with the
>>>>> chapter in doing this."
>>>>> The situation there is obviously more complicated than what is being
>>>>> said so I will not dwell on that. What disturbs me is that the Montreal 
>>>>> bid
>>>>> was accepted in absence of the local chapter support. That is not
>>>>> acceptable. Looking back on the success of the Esino Lario event, I 
>>>>> believe
>>>>> that strong local chapter and volunteer support is vital for a Wikimania
>>>>> event.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​​Let us just say that there was confusion and communication issues
>>>> with the original proposers to host.  The Steering Committee (including
>>>> yours truly) thought that Wikimedia Canada was  involved.    I think
>>>> everyone can agree how important it is for having the local chapters
>>>> involved--- most recently Esino Lario and Mexico City and of course  South
>>>> Africa coming up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ellie,
>>>> This is an interesting point. I know that recently there has been a
>>>> decision to have Wikimania's organization notified two years in advance,
>>>> but this model can only work if there is a "local group" with a mature
>>>> organization. Two years are too many for a local "extemporary"
>>>> committee.
>>>>
>>>> A chapter (with at least a small staff) is something that can assure a
>>>> commitment for two years and can support efficiently a local group (and
>>>> perhaps to save the organization in case of withdrawal).
>>>>
>>>> Basically the two year model cannot be disconnected from a *mature*
>>>> local organization as a chapter, otherwise the model will not work.
>>>>
>>>> But at this point is also interesting to know how big may be the impact
>>>> on a chapter. The organization of an event like Wikimania is something
>>>> fascinating, but at the same time it's more than a "stress test" for a
>>>> chapter.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ilario Valdelli
>>>> Wikimedia CH
>>>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
>>>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
>>>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
>>>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>>>> Tel: +41764821371 <+41%2076%20482%2013%2071>http://www.wikimedia.ch
>>>>
>>>>
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