Hi Lodewijk, I like the idea of discussions that are more structured and well-known before the conference.
Re: Taiwan, which open space idea were you describing that didn't work? Was that the lightning talks or something else? -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: [email protected] WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]>wrote: > Hey Edward, > > sorry for the delay in responding - I was a bit overflowing with stuff > that needed to happen irl. Sorry to see too that there were so few other > responses at all to my questions for input (two on the talk page). > > In some way, my proposal is an experiment of course. This isn't meant as > 'unconference' or anything as drastic, but rather as a way to offer a set > of structured and facilitated discussions without fixating it too much in > advance. Your suggestions go much further even than my proposal - I don't > want to let it come to serendipity, I would really like to help ensure > somehow that we can include the discussion topics in the program material > printed - so lets make sure we communicate those deadlines with each other. > > I would be happy if you (or anyone) would help to populate the room with > good discussion topics. However, I feel we need a dedicated space /in the > program/ for this - I don't have good experiences with the open space kind > of idea that was experimented with in Taipei. > > I hope we can make this work together! > > Best, > Lodewijk > > > > > 2014-03-26 9:06 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <[email protected]>: > > I am told that, historically, there's a massive rush of submissions in the >> last day or two. Let's wait and see what the quality of the submissions is >> like, we may be surprised. >> >> I am keen to innovate in programming with this event; an unconference >> track is a nod towards this, but there may be better formats, so I will >> ensure that space is carved out for some alternative programming style. >> >> Otherwise, there are large open discussion areas available during the >> event anyway. Traditionally the purpose of an early programme is mostly to >> promote topics of interest to encourage people to attend the conference, >> but with online discussion we could easily discuss the topics to death >> between now and then, and travelling all that way just to hear it in real >> life audio seems like a bit of a waste of time. >> >> Then, for a live event, perhaps the value is in the serendipity of >> dipping in and out of sessions and finding out about topics you didn't know >> you were interested in. Or maybe it's just in seeing faces, shaking hands >> and breaking bread. >> >> *Edward Saperia* >> Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> >> email <[email protected]> * >> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> >> * twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> * 07796955572 >> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG >> >> >> On 26 March 2014 16:52, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Edward, >>> >>> not entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction. I'm >>> volunteering to help run that process and lead the discussions on the day >>> itself (if certain conditions can be fulfilled, which I dont expect to be a >>> problem). But also, I'm suggesting to turn the process around a bit. If >>> there are no proposals for discussions, lets find discussions and bring >>> them to the table. Lets reserve a full day worth of discussions and just >>> make sure we find the discussions worth it :) >>> >>> Thanks for thinking along! >>> >>> Lodewijk >>> >>> >>> 2014-03-26 8:44 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> The programme submissions process we're using is one that we inherited >>>> from previous Wikimanias, but given that this event is not considered a >>>> formal, research-led event, and also frankly the rate of change of the >>>> world, having people submit sessions six months in advance seems >>>> surprising. >>>> >>>> Lodewijks, I interpret your submission as basically a plea to run a >>>> submission process again but closer to the conference date. Would you agree >>>> that this is the core of your proposal? >>>> >>>> *Edward Saperia* >>>> Chief Coordinator Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> >>>> email <[email protected]> * >>>> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> >>>> * twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> * 07796955572 >>>> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26 March 2014 16:27, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> with the submission deadline approaching, I wasn't able to find many >>>>> discussion proposals (not counting panel discussions) where the audience >>>>> is >>>>> the main participant, and there is no particular speaker or expert. In a >>>>> wiki-conference, that is always a surprise to me. I recall from past years >>>>> it was always particularly hard to find people who are interested enough >>>>> in >>>>> a topic, expert enough, willing to lead a discussion, certain to visit >>>>> Wikimania and able to think of it months in advance all at the same time - >>>>> in other words: people who could propose a discussion session. >>>>> >>>>> So on Wikimedia, we say then: so fix it. Well, that is what I tried >>>>> with an unconventional proposal: reserve a room for a full day, give me >>>>> some flexibility and help, and together with a co-discussion facilitator I >>>>> would be happy to volunteer to organize a full day of discussions around >>>>> community topics. >>>>> >>>>> I would really like your input on this idea. You can find the proposal >>>>> on >>>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Discussion_Room. >>>>> >>>>> Especially input would be welcome on: >>>>> * Suggestions on more/better good example discussion topics >>>>> * Suggestions how to organize this consultation >>>>> * Suggestions on the discussion format >>>>> * Whether this should be one full day, or two half days >>>>> * Who would be a good second discussion facilitator :) >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to your thoughts, >>>>> >>>>> Lodewijk >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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