my experiments with multiple instances and topologies have been very smooth 
with pip install - that is quite elegant.
i tried the documented github install and fell on my face, even after working 
out to select V5 to clone. i’m not github-savvy (but i look at the source code 
a lot) so ‘here be dragons’ might be a useful comment in the github install 
notes
⊣GE⊢

> On 31 Aug 2023, at 11:11 am, Tom Keffer <tkef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's pretty stable. Most of the work now is about smoothing out the 
> installation process. 
> 
> -tk
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM DR <wxe...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:wxe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have looked gitHub and see there is a 5.0 beta out there.
>> 
>> 
>> I am wondering if it is stable enough for a casual user to fiddle around 
>> with it before official release, or should only experts be using it now 
>> to test and give feedback to the developers?
>> 
>> 
>> Just curious.  Dale
>> 
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