No apologies, ever please.  I was able to learn quite a bit from what you sent, and will just not modify the list of observations. Sometimes the learning process isn't as fast for me as it used to be.  Thank you. Dale

On 4/7/2023 7:47 AM, Tom Keffer wrote:
Geez, DR, I apologize. I started writing my post using one strategy, then changed it to another, but didn't go back to amend the first part of the post.

You should NOT modify observations_current. Just leave it as is.

The ordering is determined by the order in observations_current. So, if `outTemp` is the first item in the list, it will be the first item in the resultant HTML.

Again, apologies for creating a garbled post.

-tk

On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 5:20 AM DR <wxe...@gmail.com> wrote:

    This was very helpful and got me over my barrier of not quite
    getting the lay of the land on the inner logic and flow.  Thank you.


    Today I'll play about with this and learn more.

    Being it is running on my test or 'play' system, I assume I can't
    really break anything by trying something.


    A question comes up about order of items to be displayed.  In
    these examples, the order in the autoprovisioning list determines
    the output to the Current Conditions display.   When one removes
    the observation type from that list and inserts it into the
    current.inc, how does the display engine determine the order of
    the final output?  Does it do all the observations in the auto
    list first, then reads the current.inc?

    If someone has time to give me one more insight as to how this
    works I'd be grateful.  I am not trying to be obsequious, but the
    amount of work that has gone into every portion of this program is
    astounding.  Thanks for writing it!  Dale



    On 4/6/2023 5:04 PM, Tom Keffer wrote:
    The Seasons skin "autoprovisions", which means that if there is
    any recent data for an observation type, it is automatically
    included in `current.inc`, using a standard format.

    In your case, you want to customize outTemp, so you will have to
    remove it from the autoprovisioning list, then include it
    manually. Here's how to do this.

    In the Season's skin.conf, you will see an option called
    `observations_current`. It looks something like this:

    *    observations_current = outTemp, heatindex, windchill, ...
    *
    Remove `outTemp`, so it looks like this:

    *    observations_current = heatindex, windchill, ...
    *
    Now go into `current.inc` and add it back in. Look for this code.

        *#for $x in $observations
          #if $getVar('year.%s.has_data' % $x)
            #if $x == 'barometer'
              <tr>
                <td class="label">$obs.label.barometer</td>
                <td class="data">$current.barometer
        ($trend.barometer.formatted)</td>
              </tr>
        *
        *    #elif $x == 'windSpeed'
        *
        *      ...*

     Note how it has a special case for 'barometer', 'windSpeed' and
    other observation types. You want to do something similar for
    'outTemp'. When you're done, it will look something like this:

        *#for $x in $observations
          #if $getVar('year.%s.has_data' % $x)
            #if $x == 'barometer'
              <tr>
                <td class="label">$obs.label.barometer</td>
                <td class="data">$current.barometer
        ($trend.barometer.formatted)</td>
              </tr>
          # elif $x == 'outTemp'
        *
        *<tr>
        *
              <td class="label">$obs.label.outTemp</td>
              <td class="data">$current.outTemp
        (∆$trend(time_delta=86400).outTemp.format("%+.1f"))</td></td>
            </tr>
            # elif $x == 'windSpeed'
        *   ...
        *
        **

    You've manually added specialized formatting for outTemp.

    Do something similar for any other  variables you want to customize

    Hope that helps.

    -tk




    On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 1:13 PM DR <wxe...@gmail.com> wrote:

        I have run 4.5.1 for some time, and had gotten suggestions on
        how to
        modify the formating of one of the Current area statements,
        along with
        adding two pieces of information which are generating from
        the data
        base, but have no formal definition or schema name, to wit:

        4.5.1, which shows:


        Outside Temperature     35.0°F (∆ +1.2°F)
        Heat Index     35.0°F
        Wind Chill     35.0°F
        Dew Point     32.6°F
        Humidity     91%
        Barometer     29.481 inHg (-0.060 in)
        Wind     0 mph N/A ( N/A)
        Rain Rate     0.00 in/h
        Rain Today     0.00 in
        Rainfall Yesterday     0.00 in
        Last Rain     06/18/2022 05:00:00 PM
        286 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes ago
        Inside Temperature     67.0°F


        which shows the out temp as compared to yesterday at this
        time and the
        formatted delta sign, along with the Rainfall yesterday and
        last rain
        line along with another line saying how long ago that was.

        These are the html  generating statements to get that display

               <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.outTemp</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.outTemp (∆
        $trend(time_delta=86400).outTemp.format("%+.1f"))</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.heatindex</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.heatindex</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.windchill</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.windchill</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.dewpoint</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.dewpoint</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.outHumidity</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.outHumidity</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.barometer</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.barometer
        ($trend.barometer.formatted
        in)</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.wind</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.windSpeed
        $current.windDir.ordinal_compass ($current.windDir)</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.rainRate</td>
                  <td class="data">$current.rainRate</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                  <td class="label">$obs.label.rain_today</td>
                  <td class="data">$day.rain.sum</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                 <td class="label">$obs.label.Rainfall Yesterday</td>
                  <td class="data">$day($days_ago=1).rain.sum</td>
                </tr>
                <tr>
                 <td class="label">$obs.label.Last Rain</td>
                 <td
        class="data">$time_at('rain>0')<br/>$time_since('rain>0')
        ago</td>
                </tr>


        Question:

        Is it possible to have 4.9.1 generate the similar current
        conditions as
        I was in 4.5.1?

        I have looked at the current.inc and there are no obvious
        places to
        insert that code, to my eye.   The list of observations is cycled
        through, but I cannot see where to insert the formatting for
        the delta
        character, nor since the values for yesterday's rain do not
        actually
        exist as a value in the data base (it is calculated with a
        sum function,
        nor extracting the date of last rain, or the calculated time
        since last
        rain also are not hard values in the data base, I'm confused
        as to how
        to control the generation of those values, and to exercise
        control of
        where in the list of current conditions those can be placed.

        I have looked in the Seasons directory, at the current.inc
        and also the
        skins.conf for that directory and find a lot of formatting
        for the
        PLOTS, I don't find any areas that look like it should
        control the
        textual information along the left side.


        If I've not confused you, can you provide some guidance as to
        where I
        need to look to control the formatting, where to add the
        statements and
        choose order of appearance ?

        I think I have read the customization and user guide a couple
        times
        looking for information there and learn something new each
        time, but
        haven't found this particular guidance.

        Thank you.  Dale

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