Jesse, Ted,

> On 30. 4. 2021, at 16:38, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:
> It’s not an ecosystem, it’s a container.
> You contain your entire deployment and this makes it portable so that it acts 
> the same on your desk as as it does on the cloud or anywhere else the 
> container runs.

That's not what I need by far. All I need is to make a WO app or two to run on 
a Catalina/Big Sur.

> What is it you need for deployment specifically? Or, why is running the app 
> at your desk insufficient?

So that is runs 24/7, auto-launches upon restart or crash, as wotaskd normally 
ensures. So that I can access it from other computers in my LAN through Apache 
without having to open the port the application runs on at all the firewalls.

On 30. 4. 2021, at 17:04, Ted Petrosky <tpetro...@agencysacks.com> wrote:
> I don't know why someone wants to keep reinventing the wheel for local 
> testing or for a local deployment

Quite the contrary — I'd like to simply use my old, well-tested and reliable 
wheel of just lauchning JavaMonitor, setting up all the things precisely the 
same way I do for the last quarter of century, without re-inventing anything 
and without being forced to learn new ecosy container things and their 
management. The only problem is, the deployment site where I do it all the time 
runs OSX 10.6; none of my home computers does (nor can, triple alas — it was 
the last really decent OSX release).

I guess for my limited needs (which do not contain load balancing nor other 
extra stuff) I could rig it myself, setting up a LaunchAgent plist to ensure 
the app to keep running, manually open up the ports both on the Mac and on my 
router as needed so that it can be reached from whole LAN through its WOPort 
etc.; just I naïvely though the old wheel would be ways easier than that.

Thanks and all the best,
OC

> 
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:13 AM, o...@ocs.cz wrote:
>> 
>> Jesse,
>> 
>>> On 30. 4. 2021, at 15:50, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:
>>> I’ve been using Docker which of course, contains the whole thing quite 
>>> nicely for this sort of portability
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Nevertheless, I regret to say I never ever heard of the Docker thing so far. 
>> Of course I can just open docker.com and start learning a whole new 
>> ecosystem, but frankly, I don't need any other great services it might 
>> offer; all I need is simply to deploy a couple of apps, and learning a whole 
>> new environment seems a bit steep price for that — is that the only way?
>> 
>> Or perhaps it would really help if there was a document “how to set up and 
>> deploy a WO application through Docker on Big Sur/Catalina 101 for complete 
>> dummies who more or less understand WO, JavaMonitor etc., but know zilch of 
>> Docker“. Is there something like that? I've tried to find one, but in vain 
>> (there seem to be similar things for Tomcat and Azure and whatsnot, there's 
>> even a “docker-webobjects-wotaskd” on github without seemingly any 
>> documentation... perhaps self-evident for people who understand Docker, but 
>> I've no idea :/ )
>> 
>> Thanks a lot,
>> OC
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:49 AM, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev 
>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> 
>>>> for my own local testing purposes, I would need to deploy a couple of WO 
>>>> apps locally on a macOS, Catalina or Big Sur.
>>>> 
>>>> The traditional deployment approach bumps into lots of problems, starting 
>>>> with /System being very R/O, new Apache, etc. I've tried to find a page 
>>>> explaining howto, but in vain.
>>>> 
>>>> Did someone succeed to deploy on a current macOS? What's the easiest way 
>>>> to do that? (Load and security requirements are very low, for this case, I 
>>>> can accept a solution which works, even if it is slow/unsecure.)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>> OC
>>>> 
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