A wiki is a lovely idea, but what I saw happen with the previous wiki was that everyone was "too nice" to just re-edit things, throw out outdated info and correct errors. So if you want to know how something works, you now basically have to read through 15 meters of non-documentation and polite conversation about how things might or might not work.
So… Sure. We could have a wiki. But I don't think a wiki can serve as the primary source of truth—unless we appoint a merciless editor. Anyway, as for the future—we're making a web framework, shouldn't we be using our own medicine? :p > On 1 Nov 2020, at 19:57, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote: > > I think “wiki" itself works well for this, real-time chat and pages where we > can use images and formatting and various linking and keep it simple. A > little less ‘moderated’ and a bit more a shared scratch area people can post > whatever they think is useful. > > I also agree the old stuff is more outdated or misinformation and really we > should just start again. > > Where can we put this sort of thing? A free wiki service or install one on a > server? I guess I could set something up-- > > >> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is >> <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote: >> >> I kind of hate Slack as well. But unfortunately it currently seems like the >> nicest place for real time chat. >> >> I agree about the worries of divergence. We need to re-establish WOCommunity. >> >> As for the old wiki pages, I think they should just be plain abandoned and >> buried. There's more misinformation there than information. If we make a >> replacement I think it should be more of a blog-style, linking to articles >> that people can maintain themselves, like your Docker/WO work that I would >> love to hear more about :). >> >> - hugi >> >> >> >>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 18:09, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com >>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I hate slack but we could use a channel like that, I worry about any form >>> of divergence because we’re already few and far between >>> >>> I have had great luck with Docker and WO and have a few modern frameworks >>> that help keep our apps nicely modern and I’m actually really happy with >>> the results so I still love WO and haven’t found anything I could wield >>> that kind of power. >>> >>> I should put the Docker stuff into a WIKI page, but I’m also wondering >>> about the ‘old’ wiki and who’s maintaining any of that or if we should >>> largely start again or something. >>> >>> Ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Slack channel is in no way or form meant to be a secret. It's >>>> something I started for fun a during a WOWODC session and the more people >>>> that join the better! >>>> >>>> I thought it was "common knowledge" by now but I can absolutely understand >>>> how the channel can be perceived as "secret", since it's not mentioned >>>> anywhere. Totally my bad and I'll work to fix it. It's a problem that goes >>>> deeper than just that particular channel. >>>> >>>> - hugi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 17:49, Marc Günther via Webobjects-dev >>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to bother everyone, but I can find absolutely no information about >>>>> this anywhere. I wouldn't even know whom to ask. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently there is a WOCommunity Slack channel since quite a while now: >>>>> - https://wocommunity.slack.com <https://wocommunity.slack.com/> >>>>> >>>>> I would be very interested to join, but I cannot find a sign up link >>>>> anywhere, or a contact person, or any mention of it on the wiki. Is there >>>>> a particular reason that this channel is kept so secret? Only for the >>>>> elite clique of WOnder contributers and not for the common WebObjects >>>>> developer? >>>>> >>>>> I was recently interested in Elm, and I could just join their Slack and >>>>> say Hi, and ask questions. It felt very welcoming for new users. >>>>> >>>>> Now, I know there won't be any new users for WO, but it would still be >>>>> nice if there wouldn't be this air of mystery about the whole thing. I >>>>> mean with the Wiki being out of date for like 5 years, WOInstaller >>>>> broken, etc. I recently had to setup WebObjects for development and for >>>>> deployment on some new machines (MacOS Catalina), and documented the >>>>> entire process, so I thought, I could update the information on the wiki, >>>>> but I don't have an account there either, and likewise, no idea on who to >>>>> ask about it. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings from Sweden, >>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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