Indeed. Couldn’t we make a survey with ?
a) if you’re still using WebObjects, what are you waiting for (improve wonder and why ? find a new open-source way and why ?) b) if you’re no more using WebObjects (for new projects I mean), what are you using ? are you satisfied why that ? do you need something other ? Maybe it could help us to have a clear vision of the wo-future Jérémy Le 2 nov. 2019 à 08:01, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a écrit : I believe TreasureBoat used Apple's leaked WO sources so I don't find it likely they'll ever participate in anything that can be considered "open", be it source or discourse. That project might be suitable for some, and these folks should definitely pursue it., As far as I'm concerned, that project doesn't exist. The reasons should be obvious. As for the rest of us… We're not "stuck in the mud". We're free to do our own thing and there's whole universe of web development ahead of us :). - hugi On 1 Nov 2019, at 15:45, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com<mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com>> wrote: I looked into TreasureBoat with Paul and it was great - accepting the lic. was not open-source, so it couldn’t be mixed with Wonder For those of us who need an open-source codebase we are stuck in the mud. Perhaps it is possible to engage TreasureBoat knowledge and effort to re-write the Ajax related frameworks using new tools but I still think that retrofitting that stuff is going to be very difficult. On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is<mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote: Yeah, that's helpful. Sorry we're not aware of that secret work on TreasureBoat. - hugi On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:13, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: The tough work has already been done by Ken on the TreasureBoat. But as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. Paul On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: Well, it’s a team job for sure. There’s tough programming in WO - components, frameworks, inheritance and trickery. There’s tough programming in javascript - not just implementation, but identifying the original designs and retrofitting something that seamlessly enhances Wonder projects simply by linking to the frameworks…serious wizardry. There’s tough programming in D2W, stuff that I was shocked to see! The trouble was not understanding any particular rule, although there were some (a lot?) that I was amazed by — but actually understanding the bigger picture of how they FIT these frameworks right into the Wonder stuff - link and unlink and magic comes and goes. So, if it were to be done, it would have to be US that does it! It’s a really hard task… I wish I had a suggestion, because I believe it is THAT important. On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com<mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com>> wrote: do you think it would be possible to find someone that CAN do the work, and then set up a fund me instance so we could pay him/her? I would put money into this if I thought there were others that would also add funds! Ted On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: Yes, I recall something about show/hide but it’s fuzzy now. I did however, conclude that we are all hosed! The value of things like the AJAX list panel that can load up new batches or a tab panel that reloads like magic? These old Ajax frameworks have tricks to override rules in D2W so simply adding the framework inserts itself into the interface frameworks beautifully. Then I went into the AJAX frameworks to trace the code and found the group of them to be deeply intertwined, and the code depends on long hierarchies of those too-long-inheritance chains that we’ve all seen arise over time. You just keep going into superviews and different WOD bindings until you are lost. I strongly sense we’d have to quite literally rewrite a batch of related frameworks -- and we’d have to be able to use the same code/D2W trickery to make the new frameworks ride on top of our apps seamlessly. However, it IS possible to do! I wish I had a solution to this problem. On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:57 AM, René Bock <b...@salient-doremus.de<mailto:b...@salient-doremus.de>> wrote: Well, you may use both frameworks, prototyps.js and jQuery if you use jQuery in non-conflict mode (because both frameworks defines the variable $ as shortcut) We had some additional issues when using the bootstrap framework, as prototypes.js add functions like show, hide, toggle to each element. Am 29.10.2019 um 12:55 schrieb Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>: I have trouble with this as well, the older code conflicts with newer jQuery based stuff. So bad, that it will eventually stop your work because some bugs are critical and you’ll not be able to work around them. I’ve found that the code way back in those Ajax frameworks is indeed amazing but also unreadable and unmaintainable. In fact, I believe there is no way with our current resources that WO folks will overcome this critical issue — our legacy is dragging us down. If anyone can figure this out, or even has ideas or wants to try — I’m up for it, but I’ve found myself that the weight is impossibly heavy. On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:18 AM, Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com<mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: Hello, Log time ago (10/2014), there was an old thread around migrating ajax from prototype to jquery as : - prototype is out of date - we « all » use jQuery to deal with ajax-front-end-requests There was a link to the work made by johnny miller https://github.com/johnnykahalawai/wonder To deal with ajax-back-end-requests, we currently use : - AjaxModaDialog - AjaxUpdateContainer - AjaxUpdateLink - AjaxObserveField - AjaxSubmitButton - AjaxLongResponse How do you deal with Ajax ? Still use wonder with prototype ? Any new idea ? Jérémy _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. 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