Hi Paul, "Although such software is usually still under copyright, the owner may not be tracking or enforcing copyright violations."
Apple doesn’t need to release the copyright to turn WebObjects into Abandonware. I see no problem if we declare WebObjects as Abandonware and Apple doesn’t enforce its copyright. The real question is: what benefits do we have if WebObjects becomes Abandonware? Cheers, Henrique > On 2 de out de 2015, at 20:43, Paul Yu <p...@mac.com> wrote: > >> >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Paul Yu <p...@me.com <mailto:p...@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Upon further reading of the wiki page. >> >> Due to copyright enforcement duration, it does us no good for us to declare >> WebObjects and its frameworks abandoned by Apple. Since Apple has not and >> will probably not release it copyright ownership on the software. >> >>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is >>> <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote: >>> >>> Apple silently killed WebObjects and abandoned it's users roughly a decade >>> ago (in a somewhat less-than-honest manner (Floop-de-diddity-doo You, >>> Apple)). >>> >>> But the community marches on. I’m constantly impressed by how this >>> community survives and keeps what's essentially a dead product the best >>> IDE/web-framework combination available. But at the same time, it’s kind of >>> triste. We’ll never get new users. No one will use a dead framework. I >>> hesitate to recommend it myself. >>> >>> We really need a future destination. I’ve found a future for my data in >>> Cayenne (I’ve converted most of my WO/EOF projects to use Cayenne instead >>> of EOF and it’s awesome) but I haven’t found any web frameworks that can >>> even begin to compare to WO. And I’ve looked hard. >>> >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2. okt. 2015, at 21:01, Alan Ward <aw...@apple.com >>>> <mailto:aw...@apple.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Apple has abandoned WebObjects outside of Apple but not inside. >>>> Just my personal opinion >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Paul Yu <p...@mac.com <mailto:p...@mac.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was reading this Wikipedia article. >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware> >>>>> >>>>> Would the list agree that WebObjects is now abandonware? >>>>> >>>>> "Definitions of "abandoned" vary, but in general it is like any item that >>>>> is abandoned - it is ignored by the owner, and as such product support >>>>> and possibly copyright enforcement are also "abandoned". It can refer to >>>>> a product that is no longer available for legal purchase, over the age >>>>> where the product creator feels an obligation to continue to support it, >>>>> or where operating systems >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_systems> or hardware >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware>platforms have evolved >>>>> to such a degree that the creator feels continued support cannot be >>>>> financially justified." >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com >>>>> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com> >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to aw...@apple.com >>>>> <mailto:aw...@apple.com>_______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>>> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is> >>>> >>>> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >>> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com> >>> >>> This email sent to p...@mac.com <mailto:p...@mac.com> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com > <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hprange%40gmail.com > <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hprange%40gmail.com> > > This email sent to hpra...@gmail.com <mailto:hpra...@gmail.com>
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