OK, that makes sense. :) On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:56:17 PM UTC-4, encompass wrote:
> I wanted it to mean as much as possible. It was intended to mean you can be > productive and it was thought out with experienced hands when created. > On 15 Mar 2011 22:13, "Anthony" <abas...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I like "Productivity by Design" because it sounds catchy and includes the > word "Productivity", but I'm sort of wondering what we mean with "by > design". Does that imply we didn't accidentally create a productive > framework but have done so with forethought "by design"? Or perhaps that > web2py achieves productivity by promoting a particular design to its web > apps? I want it to be meaningful because it sounds cool, but it seems a > little murky to me. > > > > Anthony > > > > On Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, mwolfe02 wrote: > >> > >> +1 Productivity by design > >> > >> On Mar 15, 2:13 pm, danto <web2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > 2011/3/15 mart <msen...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Just throwing in my 2 cents worth, > >> > > >> > > Personally, I kind of like the that it says Enterprise, but as > >> > > mentioned here, depends on who's reading it. This is my first try in > > >> > > world if open source so the experience may speak to me differently > >> > > than let's say the younger crowed who may be growing up with it. So > my > >> > > take on it as well as the enthousiasme I may have for it is in fact > >> > > telling of previous experiences. When I have to get up in front of > >> > > folks (usually at a much higher pay grade ;) ) and talk about where > I > >> > > want to take my projects and how I want to handle the releases of > >> > > their software, I tend to speak about "what's exciting about web2py" > > >> > > and much less about "how it will help us be more productive". > >> > > Somethings tend to be the same (at least that how I see it), I never > > >> > > would have sold the idea or even have gotten as far with convincing > > >> > > my current employer to dump and trash all current processes and > >> > > associated resources & tools without showing conviction and > >> > > excitement. I sold them on this because i relied on what I liked > about > >> > > web2py and what could inspire me, which is something I never would > >> > > have been able to to do any other way. > >> > > >> > > Personally, i find I care a lot less abut being productive and MUCH > >> > > more about being excited about being productive. I like web2py, and > I > >> > > like python, I like that i can start something and quickly see > things > >> > > happen and I really like that I can take time to think about > changing > >> > > things around, scaling other things upwards, etc, and I can do this > >> > > because web2py has a community where one can login post a question > and > >> > > get quick answers (as well as good exchanges that make me think). > >> > > >> > > Given the choice, that's what I would rely on to tag web2py... i > would > >> > > choose something that sounds exciting, has community and something > >> > > that inspires... (all the great technical details are without a > doubt > >> > > impressive and great, but that would put me in "shopping mode" as > >> > > opposed relying on impression. so I would ask a question instead... > >> > > >> > > "what inspires you?" > >> > > >> > > Who wouldn't look twice at a t-shirt with a big red tree on it that > >> > > aks a question like that? > >> > > >> > > anyways, > >> > > >> > > That's it, > >> > > Mart :) > >> > > >> > > On Mar 15, 12:56 pm, Anthony <aba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > I haven't come up with any great tagline ideas of my own yet, but > as we > >> > > > generate ideas, it might be useful to first think about some of > the > >> > > > distinctive attributes and goals of web2py and its community. Here > are > >> > > some > >> > > > things I think about when I think of web2py: > >> > > >> > > > - Easy (to set up, learn, use, distribute, and deploy) > >> > > > - Rapid development, productive, efficient, compact, concise > >> > > > - Feature-packed, comprehensive > >> > > > - Secure > >> > > > - Stable (backwards compatible) > >> > > > - User-focused > >> > > > - Innovative > >> > > > - Well integrated > >> > > > - Actively developed, constantly improving, frequent releases, > fast > >> > > bug > >> > > > fixes, responsive to user needs > >> > > > - Friendly, open, welcoming, helpful, supportive > >> > > > - Professional, mature, serious > >> > > > - It's for everyone, from beginner (wizard, plugin_wiki) to > expert > >> > > >> > > > The book preface also provides some good inspiration: > >> > >http://www.web2py.com/book/default/chapter/00 > >> > > >> > > > We should also be mindful of different potential audiences we may > want to > >> > > > target, which may include small or solo web dev companies; > internal web > >> > > > developers within larger organizations; web-based businesses; > non-Python > >> > > > professional developers (e.g., coming from PHP, Java); beginners > who are > >> > > new > >> > > > to web dev and/or Python; entrepreneurs; managers within > organizations or > >> > > > external clients who have to approve the use of the framework; > >> > > instructors > >> > > > who are teaching web dev; etc. Different types of users will care > more > >> > > about > >> > > > different sets of attributes. > >> > > >> > > > I think one challenge that web2py has in terms of communication is > that > >> > > it > >> > > > is appealing both to beginners and to professionals/experts. The > problem > >> > > is, > >> > > > when you advertise how easy and simple something is for beginners, > > >> > > experts > >> > > > might assume it is going to be too basic or constraining to meet > their > >> > > > needs. On the other hand, if you advertise how powerful, flexible, > and > >> > > > productive something is for experts, beginners might assume it > will be > >> > > too > >> > > > difficult and overwhelming for them. web2py has managed a great > feat by > >> > > > being very easy but also very comprehensive, powerful, and > flexible. It's > >> > > > got something for everyone. > >> > > >> > > > Anyway, those are just some things to think about. So far, I think > my > >> > > > favorite proposal has been: > >> > > >> > > > - "Productivity by Design" > >> > > >> > > > Here are some other options: > >> > > >> > > > - "web2py - The Web framework for Django users with deadlines." > > >> > > > - "web2py - Why are you reading this tagline? You could have > built a > >> > > web > >> > > > app by now!" > >> > > >> > > > Finally, although the term "enterprise" is sometimes misunderstood > and > >> > > even > >> > > > mocked, it clearly appeals to some potential users because it > suggests > >> > > that > >> > > > the framework is serious, stable, secure, professional, > well-supported, > >> > > etc. > >> > > > So, even if we're dropping "enterprise" from the tagline, I think > we > >> > > should > >> > > > still strive to communicate that aspect of the framework and > community. > >> > > >> > > > Best, > >> > > > Anthony > >> > > >> > (...tldr) > >> > > >> > Web2Py: Productivity by Design > >> > Python Integrated Web Framework >
