Finally it's going to be a 2n Round logo contest as said at this thread? Just curious.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Albert Abril <albert.ab...@gmail.com>wrote: > +1 to Branko again. > > ( mailist should have a comment voting system :D ) > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Branko Vukelic <bg.bra...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Please don't even try to imagine a graphic designer that would turn >> abstract ideas like Stability and Ease of use into a useful graphic. >> That's impossible. In reality, it's the reverse. You have a memorable >> image that you can associate with the qualities you discover in a >> product. And only then does the image 'obtain' those qualities. >> >> Does a 3-pointed star represents German high-precision engineering, >> and luxury? I doubt that. Yet, Benz is using that shape. And people >> have come to associate those qualities with exactly the kind of >> 3-pointed star Benz uses, and no other. You can put just any kind of >> 3-pointed star on your car and expect it to look well-made and >> comfortable. It only works if it's the Mercedes-Benz 3-pointed star. >> >> When Arch Linux community had it's logo design contest, we run into >> this very problem: discussion about the qualities that a logo should >> represent. And, of course, you can't find those qualities in the logo >> that's currently being used unless you've associated them with the >> image yourself. But the discussion dragged on for days, and the whole >> community was divided in a flame war. There were even some >> 'professionals' who claimed a logo really can speak 1000 words. That's >> so far from truth. You'd really have to draw a painting of a logo to >> pull that off. >> >> So, what are the notable exceptions to the above? Concrete imagery. In >> other words, mascots. And only those mascots that have some root in >> the culture. Lions, Tigers, Crane, Frogs, etc. Those animals have >> traditionally lots of characteristics associated with them. So using >> such images definitely can tell a story. What about that ship? Well, >> it's a 50-50 bet. >> >> To some it may speak, to others it may not. And here's a good test of >> this. How many of you had the following ideas when seeing that ship: >> >> * Ability to carry a huge amount of load: scalability >> * A graceful voyage across a vast ocean: stability >> * Took a lot of manpower to build: great community >> >> How many of you got those ideas upon seeing it? I suspect most had >> other thoughts. I seriously doubt there is a unified and universal >> graphical language that you can use reliably to relay abstract >> messages. IOW: Graphic design still hasn't got it's HTTP. ;) >> >> So, before this turns into a pointless discussions, let's just stop >> wasting time on abstract ideas. Stability, Speed, Scalability, et al. >> those are for the product itself to achieve, not the logo. Logo can be >> colorful, sharp, cute, dull, crap... Let's focus on what the logo CAN >> be, please. >> >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM, mwolfe02 >> <michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Excellent points. >> > >> > On Oct 26, 12:04 pm, Anthony <abasta...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Also: >> >> 3. Easy (to learn and use) >> >> 4. Open/welcoming/friendly/helpful (this refers to the community) >> >> 5. Active development (i.e., constantly being enhanced and improved) >> >> >> >> As for the logo, I'm sure opinions will differ on all-text vs. image >> >> logos (and will probably depend a lot on the particular design), but >> >> I'm not sure a highly literal physical object image (e.g., boat, >> >> train, animal, etc.) will work that well for web2py. Those kinds of >> >> images certainly make sense when they represent something directly in >> >> the brand name (e.g., Ruby on Rails has a ruby with rails; Turbogears >> >> has a gear; Flask has a flask), but can be confusing otherwise. That's >> >> not to say we shouldn't have an image, but if we do, something more >> >> abstract may work better (e.g., like the old logo). >> >> >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Oct 26, 11:27 am, mwolfe02 <michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I really like the idea of a bold, simple image to represent the >> >> > framework. I'm just not convinced a ship is the right image. >> >> >> >> > Maybe it would be more helpful to the few good logo designers on this >> >> > list (of which Branko is certainly one), for us to propose different >> >> > images. I'll list what I feel (personally) are the strengths of the >> >> > framework that an image would ideally represent: >> >> >> >> > 1a. Speed (of development) >> >> > 1b. Security >> >> > 2. Reliability/Stability (ie, promise of backwards >> >> > compatibility...the one thing that *truly* distinguishes web2py from >> >> > other frameworks; most others don't even try) >> >> >> >> > Some quick image ideas off the top of my head (that may or may not be >> >> > practical as logos): >> >> > - 'bullet' train >> >> > - sailfish >> >> > - catamaran sailboat (a bit more modern-looking/faster than Branko's >> >> > original ship design; though I'd imagine less logo-friendly) >> >> > - hummingbird >> >> > - chain (close-up of two or three individual links) >> >> > - hawk >> >> > - lion >> >> > - gazelle >> >> >> >> > Please note that I've left off spiders and snakes. I think they >> would >> >> > add less than nothing to web2py's brand identity. >> >> > -Mike >> >> >> >> > On Oct 26, 9:56 am, Anthony <abasta...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > What do people think about including "Enterprise Web Framework" tag >> >> > > line in the logo? I've noticed that in quite a number of public >> >> > > discussions of web2py (e.g., on Reddit), the term "Enterprise" is >> both >> >> > > misunderstood and mocked. That doesn't mean we should stop using >> it, >> >> > > but I wonder if we want to emphasize it by including it right in >> the >> >> > > logo (maybe at least consider a logo that could work with our >> without >> >> > > the tag line included). >> >> >> >> > > Anyway, this all-text logo by Branko is very nice. I like it better >> >> > > than the ship logo. For me, although the ship logo is aesthetically >> >> > > appealing, both the ship and the font give it sort of an >> old-fashioned >> >> > > feeling (i.e., rather than modern and cutting-edge). Also, I don't >> >> > > quite get the meaning of the ship -- how does it relate to the >> web2py >> >> > > brand identity? >> >> >> >> > > Anthony >> >> >> >> > > On Oct 26, 6:49 am, Branko Vukelic <bg.bra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, mdipierro < >> mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: >> >> > > > > I have no strong opinion one way or another. >> >> >> >> > > > How about this one? >> >> >> >> > > > -- >> >> > > > Branko Vukelić >> >> >> >> > > > bg.bra...@gmail.com >> >> > > > stu...@brankovukelic.com >> >> >> >> > > > Check out my blog:http://www.brankovukelic.com/ >> >> > > > Check out my portfolio:http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ >> >> > > > Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) >> >> > > > I hang out on identi.ca:http://identi.ca/foxbunny >> >> >> >> > > > Gimp Brushmakers Guildhttp://bit.ly/gbg-group >> >> >> >> > > > web2py_lettering.png >> >> > > > 116KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> -- >> Branko Vukelić >> >> bg.bra...@gmail.com >> stu...@brankovukelic.com >> >> Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ >> Check out my portfolio: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxbunny/ >> Registered Linux user #438078 (http://counter.li.org/) >> I hang out on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/foxbunny >> >> Gimp Brushmakers Guild >> http://bit.ly/gbg-group >> > >
