I would like to strongly advocate that the project not be sidetracked and that focused remains on improving the web2py trunk. I'm pretty new here, but from what I've seen web2py has a great future if the focus is channeled correctly.
The issues with Google groups are real and significant. Perhaps resolving this problem will require a middle ground, my suggestion: we could look for a hosted service which offers some of the functionality that we've been discussing. Two possible options: 1. Coactivate.org - It offers an integrated forum/mailing list and data should be pretty safe. 2. Getsatisfaction.com - community driven user support, Either of these could solve the problem while adding little administrative overhead. Coactivate.org is free, getsatisfaction.com has an basic package which is free. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think he was meaning that search sucks in Google Groups (not > pyforum). Correct me if wrong. > > > On Oct 29, 2:29 am, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: > > - Provides working search-ability (sorry Groups still sucks hard in > > this area) > > > > Timbo - Can you explain what you mean by "groups" in pyforum (and any > > suggestions you may have that might be useful to implement)? > > > > (if this goes a bit off-topic, feel free to reply to me directly) - > > Thanks.. > > > > On Oct 28, 6:09 am, Timbo <tfarr...@swgen.com> wrote: > > > > > The forum option has been discussed multiple times. Let me (once > > > again) throw in my support for it. > > > > > pyForum: > > > - Provides working search-ability (sorry Groups still sucks hard in > > > this area) > > > - Allows one to still receive emails > > > - Fills a gap for those of us who want to keep up with the community > > > but don't want an email every 5 minutes. (I'm on digest of the list > > > but a forum would better fit my level of interest/involvement) > > > - Having web2py use it would be dog-fooding and drive the development > > > of both > > > > > With the mailinglist, there is no good search option for those not > > > using their own email client for search. Remember the Python 3 > > > question? There's a reason it pops up once every 2-3 weeks. Because > > > Google Groups search will not find anything on list after a while and > > > so the question is asked again. There's GMANE but most users don't > > > know to look there and the user interface is not the most friendly. > > > > > I vote pyForum. > > > > > -tim > > > > > On Oct 28, 4:07 am, salingrosso <salingro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I think that we could use something like mailman for the mailing list > (but I > > > > must say that for now I hadn't problems with google groups) and we > should > > > > have also a forum. I don't think that we must necessarily use a forum > > > > software realized in web2py, not immediately at least. > > > > > > 2009/10/28 mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> > > > > > > > Right now the web2py google group takes negligible maintenance > time. > > > > > We have about 10 managers. > > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 11:26 pm, david bain <pigeonfli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not against a forum, but I don't think I'd use it much. I'm > > > > > especially > > > > > > concerned that setting up and maintaining a forum may distract > the core > > > > > > developers from developing, whatever minimizes the administrative > > > > > overhead > > > > > > of running the web2py project is good as it frees minds to focus > on > > > > > > improving the code. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, JorgeRpo <jorgeh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I rather like a forum because it doesnt require to clog my > email box > > > > > > > with threaded msg. > > > > > > > > > We need a forum. We've had already discussed this. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 10:20 pm, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I like the mailing list because I can access it from gmail > easily. > > > > > Forum > > > > > > > Iw > > > > > > > > ould have to go to yet one more site to communicate. I like > keeping > > > > > > > > everything in gmail if at all possible. > > > > > > > > > > -Thadeus > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM, mdipierro < > mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All together I am happy with it. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 9:53 pm, david bain <pigeonfli...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I understand the spam issue with Google Groups, however I > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > "throw > > > > > > > > > > the baby out with the bathwater". I find mailing lists to > be very > > > > > > > > > valuable. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:50 PM, mengu < > whalb...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think a forum would be more helpful and better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2:56 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We are 10x smaller so I guess we get 10x less spam. > We get > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > 50-100 spam emails/day. We block the emails used by > spammers. > > > > > We > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > only one reported case of actual user being spoofed. > That did > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > some trouble for the user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure there are much better options. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 27, 6:45 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting article from John Resig of JQuery fame: > > > > > > > > > > >http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it really this bad Massimo? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > SplashStart - Professional Websites. Starting Now. > > > > > > > > >http://www.splashstart.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > SplashStart - Professional Websites. Starting Now. > > > > >http://www.splashstart.com > > > > > > > -- SplashStart - Professional Websites. 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