Sorry this is a mistake thanks gmail I don't even know how I could have done that...
:( Richard On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Richard Vézina <ml.richard.vez...@gmail.com > wrote: > List of relevant posts : > > Most relevant: > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/X80Ol0Uumrg/vGrGtaeOVZwJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/mlG6-yHPa4g/MFAU9zX3jo4J > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/WJOWlTnoz5I/y0-dQTywoHwJ > > > The whole thread: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/hAiMQ1gLUo8 > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/291FhcxGvYc > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/web2py/web3py/web2py/lwdZ5vEMGdM > > Stackoverflow > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22684906/web2py-and-python-3 > > Funny: > https://www.quora.com/How-does-web2py-support-Python-3 > https://www.quora.com/profile/Wei-Wei-1/Posts/10-reasons-not-to-use-web2py > > Old > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/web2py/U1Ukbfhmais > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/xXDjA47a6nc/ZrMi5XXHUpgJ > > web2py-dev > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/web2py-developers/jXFLnyfkL2U/GQ0qHENepHEJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/CFj5dH3ilew/x0KoevEfufIJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/RCeiRd3Rzs0/vqA_PfmBvHgJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/AEtuwHQgJnc/iKNMImHqoHUJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/9ztv8ecT1Nk/7__jGmreZf8J > Gluino3 no answer : > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py-developers/ilxA-aMDtLk/OSYp_uoWfVcJ > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/lwdZ5vEMGdM/D6BfYuwOWoUJ > > > I think I can still find some threads but I think the most important one > are there... > > Have a good read... > > :) > > Richard > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Jim S <j...@qlf.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-6, Richard wrote: >>> >>> I would like to suggest a way to get out of these recurrent >>> discussions... >>> >>> Why not adopt some guidance around the issue... I think the heart of the >>> problem here is that not knowing what is coming or not make people insecure >>> about the future of what is built (or could be build) with web2py. It may >>> be true that no big corporate are not using Python 3 at the moment, though >>> distros have already started sending the message that Python 3 is coming... >>> To my knowledge, since 3.4 Python 3 is consider to be ready for real >>> work... >>> >>> So, maybe we could write a section in the book about web2py and Python 3 >>> support, if the book is not the place we can put a text file in github >>> somewhere in web2py about that and maybe a TODO-List of what is need to be >>> done... Or a Roadmap on the web2py Web site... There is plenty of options >>> to document out this "issue" and what is know about it and what is the >>> heart of this issue... Also, if web2py will have to break it promise for >>> backward compatibility or not and if it breaks it what work to expect in >>> our apps to make them work in "web3py", etc. >>> >>> There is many threads on the mailing-lists... A good start could be to >>> retrieve them and read them to extract the important things?? >>> >>> Like that when the question pop again we can redirect people to the >>> Documentation/Roadmap and they can make a better informed decision about >>> using web2py or not, waiting for Python 3 support by web2py or not, etc. >>> >>> Thanks, regards >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Stuart Rolinson <stu...@eventsense.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I wanted to add to this discussion as well. I think that developing >>>> with python 2.7 and web2py has been fine, however I have been really >>>> concerned as my application gets bigger that we are going to have to >>>> migrate to a .net or java based solution in the future. The more I >>>> develop, the more I worry about the amount of re-work I am creating for >>>> myself in the future. I would feel better about my decision to choose >>>> web2py if this supported the current version of the product. >>>> >>>> I am not sure my Python abilities are good enough yet to be heavily >>>> involved in a conversion from 2.7 - 3.5, but I would be happy to help where >>>> I can once my current project is implemented. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 12:48:46 PM UTC-7, Paolo Valleri wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Just to understand what we are talking about, which are the main >>>>> issues in porting web2py on python 3.x ? >>>>> >>>>> Paolo >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 11:24:30 PM UTC+1, Ramos wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> weppy looks like a short webp2y environment, however lacks some good >>>>>> documentation like web2py and all of the code samples are very short and >>>>>> errors come often. >>>>>> Seems that the only one helping is the "creator" itself. >>>>>> Unfortunately i dont see it as a good alternative to web2py. >>>>>> >>>>>> At least web2py has a lot of people helping everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-11-13 17:49 GMT+00:00 Jim S <j...@qlf.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What are the chances that weppy (www.weppy.org) becomes the Python >>>>>>> 3 version of web2py? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working with the newly available, officially supported Python >>>>>>> implementation on IBM i (formerly AS/400) and it is Python version 3.4 >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> web2py isn't an option for me. Is there any news or direction for >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> forced to use Python 3? I really don't want to give up my web2py >>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>> and move to another framework. The other big guns (django, flask, >>>>>>> bottle, >>>>>>> pyramid) all have Python 3 versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 6:41:49 PM UTC-6, Massimo Di >>>>>>> Pierro wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not think it is a secret. As far as I know the security >>>>>>>> pricing infrastructure of Bank of America is based on proprietary >>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>> database built in Python and the JP Morgan Chase has been working for >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> time on an internal trading platform based on Python (do not know if >>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>> in use at this time). Also I have consulted with some local trading >>>>>>>> companies in Chicago that use Python+pytable+numpy+hdf5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is a source >>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/Why-are-banks-like-JP-Morgan-and-Bank-of-America-Merrill-Lynch-using-Python-to-replace-historic-legacy-systems-built-in-Java-C++ >>>>>>>> but I have my own sources. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In fact a friend told me Bank of America uses web2py too although >>>>>>>> not for business critical apps where they use proprietary code, but for >>>>>>>> interfacing some of their Air Conditioning systems. I have been unable >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> verify this information. I know other banks or large financial >>>>>>>> institutions >>>>>>>> that also use web2py for some of internal non-business critical >>>>>>>> development. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Massimo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 09:34:41 UTC-6, Ramos wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What banks? can you share that info ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-11-11 15:21 GMT+00:00 Massimo Di Pierro < >>>>>>>>> massimo....@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As of today python 3 is used almost exclusively in schools. Do >>>>>>>>>> you know of any large company that uses Python 3? I do not. But I >>>>>>>>>> know many >>>>>>>>>> large companies that use Python 2, including banks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 9 November 2015 01:36:40 UTC-6, Remco Boerma wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great one Alex. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> While searching for web2py and python3 the first result i got >>>>>>>>>>> was this >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/31ai10/web2py_python3/> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi...I m total beginner in python with elastic search also >>>>>>>>>>>> Unicode ... I am looking for a wonderful framework & was keen on >>>>>>>>>>>> web2py..but just happened to read that its not compatible with >>>>>>>>>>>> python 3.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pl guide me abt this issue & in selecting framework >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards to all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been asked to start a new internship-company for a project >>>>>>>>>>> i'm involved in. And I so want to take those boys and girls on the >>>>>>>>>>> web2py >>>>>>>>>>> path, but to ask of those new-to-the-market to invest in a legacy >>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>> (2020 is only 4 years from now) is something that feels odd to me. >>>>>>>>>>> Especially since i know the power and grace of web2py. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know the subject has been debated and debated but for the sake >>>>>>>>>>> of these students (and these are not the high university kind, but >>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>> the ground-work and getting-stuff-done folks) i would kindly ask to >>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>> the future into consideration as well as our marketing because >>>>>>>>>>> web2py is >>>>>>>>>>> simply droped out of the equation because of py2. I would love to >>>>>>>>>>> teach >>>>>>>>>>> those kids web2py and be future proof. Many schools already teach >>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>> from a hundred years ago, let's not do that in IT as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank your for considering. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Op vrijdag 6 november 2015 23:57:33 UTC+1 schreef Alex: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> web2py for python 3 would be great. I hope it comes rather >>>>>>>>>>>> sooner than later. I'd love to use python 3, no more str <-> >>>>>>>>>>>> unicode >>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense (which already caused many issues and wasted time for >>>>>>>>>>>> me), type >>>>>>>>>>>> hints (seems to have good support in PyCharm) and other new >>>>>>>>>>>> features. I >>>>>>>>>>>> think the current situation could also scare away potential new >>>>>>>>>>>> users when >>>>>>>>>>>> they see that web2py does not support python 3. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pyDAL seems to be already compatible with python 3. Is it not >>>>>>>>>>>> possible to make the remaining parts also compatible or are there >>>>>>>>>>>> completely new concepts planned? I for one would completely remove >>>>>>>>>>>> the FORM >>>>>>>>>>>> code - it's nice and easy to get something up and running but >>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>> style (no clear separation of backend/frontend) and extend. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> knockout (I guess any data binding js lib will do fine) which is >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> flexible and easy to understand. That should be the preferred way >>>>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>> forms and recommended in the book. But that's just my opinion. No >>>>>>>>>>>> more FORM >>>>>>>>>>>> would mean less code to port to python 3 ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:37:56 PM UTC+1, Ramos wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @massimo >>>>>>>>>>>>> When will it be available ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-11-04 14:38 GMT+00:00 Massimo Di Pierro < >>>>>>>>>>>>> massimo....@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There will be a new framework similar to web2py for python 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> web2py has to be backward compatible and it is pointless to port >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> python 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 06:25:40 UTC-6, Jim Gregory >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know this has come up in the past, but it hasn't been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked in a while. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there ever going to be a usable and maintained >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python3-compatible fork of web2py? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest edition of Fedora now ships with Python3 by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default. It's the default version used in Django's tutorial. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using Python3 now, but I can see the day when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitably will. I don't want to invest the time in a framework >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have to abandon it later. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resources: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - http://web2py.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Issues) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "web2py-users" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to web2py+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Resources: >>>>>>>>>> - http://web2py.com >>>>>>>>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >>>>>>>>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >>>>>>>>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "web2py-users" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to web2py+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Resources: >>>>>>> - http://web2py.com >>>>>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >>>>>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >>>>>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "web2py-users" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to web2py+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> Resources: >>>> - http://web2py.com >>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "web2py-users" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to web2py+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> Resources: >> - http://web2py.com >> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "web2py-users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > Resources: > - http://web2py.com > - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) > - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) > - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
