On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:18:50 PM UTC-7, Anthony wrote:

> If you take into account what's said in this talk - that basically the ORM 
>> and the CORE in SQLA are 2 separate beasts - than if follows what I've been 
>> saying here, that the web2py-DAL is equivalent just to the CORE, and has no 
>> features that the ORM provides whatsoever.
>
>
> I'm not sure that follows. The web2py DAL has a lot of features that might 
> otherwise be found in an ORM. I'm not very familiar with SQLA, but I 
> suspect the DAL has some features not present in CORE but similar to 
> functionality included in the ORM.
>

I wouldn't be so sure about that...
You should really check out the links I've posted in this thread - 
SQLA-Core is a fully-fledged DAL. Reddit is using it alone, without any of 
the ORM level...
 
And again, it may be a matter of semantics, but there is no ORM feature in 
the DAL - I've been going over the documentation and asking lost of 
questing talking to Massimo - it's pretty conclussive - iweb2py's DAL 
is exclusively-stateless...

>
> You might also consider trying SQLA directly in place of the DAL
>

<shameless copy-paste from my answer to Derek:>
I know that, but well, you see, there lies the problem - I DON'T want... I 
love the DAL too much - wouldn't change it for anything! :) 
(not even SQLA-Core...;) )
I even considered using web2py's DAL outside of web2py as well - in all the 
plug-ins I plan to write for desktop-applications. It's an amazing and 
elegant piece of software!

Besides, it's not feasible for us anymore anyways, as I said, we already 
have thousands of lines of code built using the DAL - switching it to 
something else would be a nightmare, and way too costly. we have DAL-based 
code more than any other python code - hell, we would be switching a 
web-framework before we consider replacing the DAL... :)

All I want is a decent ORM on-top to structure all that wonderful DAL code 
we have into... But it has to be statefull to be worth-it, so I couldn't 
write my own, and SQLA-ORM is the best ORM in python I currently know of...
I am looking at Storm also, but it currently seems to be less-modular that 
SQLA... That's from just a glance, though. 

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