I'm not even remotely suggesting anyone should use Fedora for a production 
server, that'd be nuts. Not so much because of the stability, but the 
release cycle is completely inappropriate, you'd have to upgrade the OS 
every 13 months at best, even if you skip every second release and stick 
with the previous one until the support ends... No, we are using Fedora for 
local development and Scientific Linux for testing and production. CentOS 
also works great. Of course, going with RHEL is recommended if you need the 
support.

Using Fedora for development lets me use all the latest software features 
while also having an insight in what is coming to RHEL. For example, this 
mysql -> mariadb move is a bit late for RHEL 7, but if it happens, it 
probably will be there for RHEL 8. And by using Fedora, I'll know exactly 
what to expect on a server later. Sadly, I have to support mySQL for our 
customers, although we use postgreSQL exclusively for our projects.

I just *have* to add a remark about Fedora's stability, I can't resist :) I 
usually use Fedora alpha and beta releases on my laptop, they can of course 
break in many interesting ways. I don't recall any case of a released 
Fedora breaking and I've been a Red Hat user since before Fedora existed. 
Well, thinking back, perhaps there was a glitch or two in all these years, 
but I really don't recall anymore - that's how rare or minor it was. That's 
why I'd recommend using Fedora on a desktop or a laptop to anyone 
interested in what's comming or to anyone that wants a top notch distro 
with *almost* bleeding edge software versions.

There are other great distros, don't get me wrong. I like Debian a lot, for 
example. Fedora is just my cup of tea. The only distro I dislike is Ubuntu, 
and that's only because of the Cannonical and it's marketing and business 
moves. I dislike the way they treat the community at times, that's all.

Regards,
Ales

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:18:39 AM UTC+1, Cliff Kachinske wrote:
>
> I love the IDEA of Fedora, but I don't use it.
>
> Fedora is Red Hat's experimental, community-based product.  It's bleeding 
> edge.  That means stuff is often broken and changes in direction are not 
> impossible.
>
> This is not what I need, especially for a production server.
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2013 6:57:18 PM UTC-5, LightDot wrote:
>>
>> I don't know in terms of user numbers but mysql is getting replaced with 
>> mariadb in Fedora, which will have some impact.
>>
>> Current plan for Fedora 19 is this:
>> - mariadb package will provide "mysql"
>> - existing mysql package will be renamed to MySQL
>> - mariadb and MySQL pacakges conflict, they can't be installed at the 
>> same time.
>>
>> In others words, mariadb will act as a drop-in replacement for mysql. All 
>> programs built against mysql libs will be rebuilt against the new "mysql" 
>> libs, thus against mariadb. Everybody who installs "mysql" will in fact 
>> install mariadb.
>>
>> There has been some debate about this mysql replacement and I'm expecting 
>> further discussions, especially when Fedora 19 alpha and beta get released 
>> and more users become aware of the change. I don't see any real changes for 
>> the users though, at least not in the near future.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ales
>>
>> On Friday, March 8, 2013 9:39:38 PM UTC+1, Richard wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cliff I wasn't about that issue, it's good to know that.
>>>
>>> I would be really curious to know if the MySQL user base had splitted 
>>> since the MariaDB fork and what the proportion that stays with MySQL and 
>>> now with MariaDB...
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Cliff Kachinske <cjk...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Richard
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I know.  But what about documentation?
>>>>
>>>> The MySQL code itself is free open source, but Oracle owns the 
>>>> copyright on the MySQL documentation.
>>>>
>>>> So as the MariaDB fork adds features, the MySQL documentation becomes 
>>>> more and more inaccurate.  At some point there will have to be a full 
>>>> rewrite of the MariaDB docs.  Just seems too messy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:44:52 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Cliff MariaDB!!
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Cliff Kachinske <cjk...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not just the legal aspect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After seeing how poorly Oracle supported OpenOffice, I would be 
>>>>>> concerned about their future support for MySQL as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, March 8, 2013 4:43:06 AM UTC-5, Niphlod wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is going nuts. He was fine until now with SQLite, either one of 
>>>>>>> mysql or postgres will do fine, with a total preference on postgres if 
>>>>>>> he 
>>>>>>> doesn't want to employ a legal office to know if he can use mysql or 
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: the day I'm going to choose mysql over postgres for the combined 
>>>>>>> requirement of having:
>>>>>>> - a nice syntax to expose an autoincrementing field
>>>>>>> - is able to accomodate 8M rows with 3 bytes instead of 4 (I'll 
>>>>>>> never consider a tiny or a smallint as an autoincrement-eligible field) 
>>>>>>> it's the day I'll stop working on databases.
>>>>>>>
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