Massimo, how would you feel about extending routes to take into account domains as well ? Basically, with routes.py you can do away with the application name only if you use one application, but it would be nice to be able to use a single web2py install for multiple apps.
On Feb 27, 10:29 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > you raise many issues and I am not sure I am answering them all. > > about the path in URL you have four ways to change that: > 1) call your app init > 2) create an empty app init that redirects to your app > 3) rename and edit routes.example.py as routes.py and remap URLs (like > Django does) > 4) use apache to remap the URLs. > > I do not understand this comment "I'm aware that > there's going to be problems with counters if my site gets popular. > Ideally I'd like to have something that handles that in web2py." > > I can see this (http://www.vorby.com/) is very slow. Is this built > with web2py? > > Massimo > > On Feb 27, 2:56 pm, Jim <jdeib...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Executive summary: > > > 1. web2py needs to focus on appealing to newbies As we get more > > experienced, we hopefully can > > make contributions to make web2py better and better. If > > I'm in charge of maintaining a site > > that's already written, it's unlikely that I'll want to > > throw out PHP or Django or whatever and > > start over from scratch. Or that my boss will let me. > > > 2. web2py really needs to work without the application name - / > > default/index would be fine for now > > with a goal of having / as "home". > > www.mydomain.com/myapp/default/index > > is huge and is > > bad from an SEO standpoint > > > 3. the degree that code from Google can be re-used will have an > > effect on how many people are willing > > to use web2py instead of app-engine-patch or whatever Why > > write your own code for sharding > > counters when you can > > usehttp://code.google.com/appengine/articles/sharding_counters.html > > ? > > > More details > > > 1. Massimo has been able to abstract away a lot of the complexities > > involved in working with GAE and really improve on the Django > > framework. > > > It's painful to think about how much boiler-plate code you'd have to > > write if you used Django instead. But I'm saying that as somebody > > who's installed Eclipse/PyDev just far enough to get it to run > > helloworld.py and has no familiarity with Python. > > > GAE/web2py is going to appeal to people who don't want to run a server > > as opposed to people who want to be able to control everything. To > > get into enterprises, it's going to take hobby programmers like me > > saying good things about it. > > > 2. You probably understand SEO better than I do. But it seems clear > > that letting spiders start from / is better than having them start > > from /app/controller/function It's also a lot less to type. Using > > 301s on URLs is painful and best to be avoided. > > > For personal projects that aren't supposed to be used by the general > > public, who cares? But if you're trying to get a site used by lots > > of people, shorter is better. You're not going to get word-of-mouth > > if people can't remember the URL. And the longer it is, the more > > chances to mess it up. > > > 3. To my wife I compared web2py to training wheels for GAE. That has > > its good points and its bad points. For example, I'm aware that > > there's going to be problems with counters if my site gets popular. > > Ideally I'd like to have something that handles that in web2py. But > > if not, then I want to plug in the code from Google itself or possibly > > from Best Buy's giftag project and have it work. > > > The same is true of memcache - let's use it for disk.cache, ram.cache > > and sessions. There's been a couple of contributions in this area and > > it would be great to see them adopted as part of web2py. > > > And a third thing is using the expires header as mentioned > > inhttp://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/9ee570b123... > > Given how variable the response from GAE is, it'd be better to not > > visit it at all again if you don't have to. So designing pages that > > can be fetched from the browser's cache instead of visiting the site a > > second time looks like a big win. > > > Should this be one project? Should there be a gae2py or py2gae or > > whatever? Up to Massimo. > > > web2py is at least 95% there in terms of GAE. In reading the messages > > about GAE, it's clear that some people decided that the only way to > > close the gap is to not use web2py. > > > I hope that changes. It would be super cool if web2py/GAE became the > > Wordpress of apps, used by everyone from bloggers to the New York > > Times. > > > Still more details > > > 1. I'm interested in GAE because I want to outsource network > > administration, system administration, etc. to Google. The free up to > > 1GB and 5 million pageviews is attractive but there's lots of options > > for shared hosting. It's nice to not worry about being slashdotted > > but that's unlikely to happen. The huge thing is not dealing with > > load balancing, security exploits, etc. > > > I have concerns about the variability of the user experience with > > GAE. Try something like this: > > > i=1 ; while (( $i<1000)); do echo $i; time lynx -dumphttp://www.vorby.com/> > > /dev/null ; (( i=$i+1 )); done > > > real 0m6.808s > > real 0m4.358s > > real 0m2.194s > > real 0m2.136s > > real 0m4.372s > > > If my only goal was a consistent, fast experience ... this would drive > > me crazy. > > > I'm using vorby.com as an example because it's written by a programmer > > who's able to get auto-complete working on GAE and seems reasonably > > skilled. I have no connection with vorby.com and AFAIK it's not using > > web2py. But it shows a little bit of the inconsistent responses that > > you get with GAE. > > > You could try giftag.com instead. That's a Best Buy project which has > > been featured by Google. Mostly times are under 1 second but I have > > seen 5 seconds. > > > It seems like apps that aren't being used get swapped out to disk and > > then get re-loaded when necessary. That means that I've seen it take > > 20 seconds or more for the first page to load. I'm not sure why the > > variance with loads of the same page. > > > I have concerns about Google deciding that they don't want to be in > > the business any more, the way that they have with other projects. > > Now that they're charging for GAE, though, I think it's highly > > unlikely that they'll stop it. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. 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