yep, I agree even if this is painful. +1 On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:56 PM Zachary Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1; I think a lot of us have voiced support over the years for decoupling > the Wave server from its current GUI, and it sounds like this approach > would be a great shift in that direction. > > Zachary Yaro > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2017, Michael MacFadden <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Pablo, > > > > +1 on this approach. I think this is the best idea if we can pull it off. > > > > ~Michael > > > > On 3/21/17, 8:30 AM, "Pablo Ojanguren" <pablo...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > At this moment I don't see Wave as a downstream dependency of > SwellRT. > > (SwellRT depending on Wave, right?) > > SwellRT has modified Wave in different parts, so there is not a clear > > separation of responsibilities right now. > > > > Personally I would rather Wave to take over SwellRT entirely and > > liberate > > Wave from the current GUI and become something generic. Then I would > > work > > on Wave primarily, keeping SwellRT as a fork with maybe very specific > > customizations to support jetpad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-20 21:27 GMT+01:00 Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk > <javascript:;>>: > > > > > Pablo, > > > > > > Do you see Wave's copy of SwellRT as a fork? Or perhaps as a > > downstream > > > dependency of SwellRT? How do you see the SwellRT team > collaborating > > > with Wave? > > > > > > Upayavira > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, at 03:25 PM, Pablo Ojanguren wrote: > > > > ICLAs from original copyright owners of SwellRT source code has > > been > > > > signed > > > > and sent to Apache. This implies, AFAIK that Wave community is > free > > > > (libre) > > > > to use SwellRT's source code entirely or parts of it without > risks > > of > > > > raising any IP issues. This makes safer, legally speaking, any > > > > collaboration between communities involving the source code. > > > > > > > > This doesn't imply any commitment from Wave taking over SwellRT > > source > > > > code, roadmap...and in particular SwellRT brand, that is a > > separated > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > How SwellRT source code can be exploited by Wave is a community > > choice. I > > > > think those more technically involved in the project should > > address the > > > > discussion. My email is a part of this aim. I expect your point > of > > view > > > > so > > > > we can define a tech road map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-03-20 15:04 GMT+01:00 Evan Hughes <wisebald...@apache.org > > <javascript:;>>: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info but doesn't quite answers some of the > > more > > > pressing > > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > Has swellrt been donated to the incubator as in the incubator > is > > now > > > where > > > > > the official swellrt development will happen? Does this include > > the > > > > > branding asset's? How do we want to handle publishing of the > > swellrt > > > as a > > > > > sub part of this project. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Evan > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2017 11:22 PM, "Pablo Ojanguren" <pablo...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > My apologies for the late update on SwellRT. I hope this email > > could > > > help > > > > > to clarify the ongoing discussion. > > > > > > > > > > As summary SwellRT objective is to make Wave generic... > > > > > > > > > > Instead of Wave Conversations it provides generic Collaborative > > > Objects. > > > > > Instead of a GUI it provides an API. > > > > > > > > > > *Current status:* > > > > > > > > > > *JavaScript Beta client* > > > > > > > > > > - Based on the original Web client. > > > > > - No dependencies with GWT UI components. > > > > > - No dependencies with JSNI thanks to JSInterop. > > > > > - It allows to mutate and sync Javascript objects (ES6 > > Proxies). > > > > > - This implementation is expected to ease generation of > > Android and > > > iOS > > > > > clients. > > > > > - Basic features are in place but some others are still not > > migrated > > > > > from alpha. > > > > > > > > > > Check out README[1] and Wiki[2] for usage details. To dive into > > the > > > code, > > > > > see package *org.swellrt.beta,* and the classes > > > > > *ServiceFrontendEntryPoint* > > > > > and *SObjectRemote* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Collaborative Editor Component* > > > > > > > > > > Task to provide the Wave text editor as a separated component, > so > > > > > eventually it could be replaced. So far, it exposes following > > features > > > as > > > > > API > > > > > > > > > > - Annotations > > > > > - User presence > > > > > > > > > > Currently I am debugging it for mobile browsers. > > > > > Widgets API coming soon. > > > > > > > > > > Package org.swellrt.beta.client.js.editor [3] > > > > > > > > > > *Federation with Matrix.org* > > > > > > > > > > Testing the proposed implementation [4] from GSoC'16 student. > We > > would > > > like > > > > > to provide a PR asap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *JetPad* > > > > > We are developing SwellRT together with a real application of > it, > > > > > jetpad.net > > > > > [5] a collaborative text editor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Google Sumer of Code 2017* > > > > > We are also participating in GSoC17 thanks to the support of > > > Universidad > > > > > Complutense de Madrid and Berkman Klein Center (Harvard) > > > > > Please encourage any students to send proposals, not limited to > > our > > > > > suggestions [6]. Deadline is April 3. > > > > > For example, we are considering a proposal of e2e encryption > > based on > > > [7] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Wave + SwellRT* > > > > > I guess the question to answer in the community is whether > > SwellRT can > > > be > > > > > used as is, or adapted, or part of it, to provide a new Wave > UI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > Pablo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/P2Pvalue/swellrt/blob/master/README.md > > > > > [2] https://github.com/P2Pvalue/swellrt/wiki > > > > > [3] > > > > > https://github.com/P2Pvalue/swellrt/tree/master/wave/src/ > > > > > main/java/org/swellrt/beta/client/js/editor > > > > > [4] https://github.com/Waqee/incubator-wave/blob/master/ > > > > > MATRIX-FEDERATION.md > > > > > [5] https://jetpad.net/ > > > > > [6] https://cyber.harvard.edu/gsoc/SwellRT > > > > > [7] http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/68179/ > > > > > paper.pdf?sequence=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Zachary Yaro >
