Thanks for your answer Price,

I guess we should not delay this discussion...

I'd happy to run another call if you think it can move things forward.



2016-10-01 18:40 GMT+02:00 Price Clark <gpwcl...@gmail.com>:

> Pablo, thanks for the presentation.
>
> While my qualifications to answer this are 0  getting to listen to
> Upayavira talk this week (the last Apache mentor if I'm not mistaken) make
> me feel the answers to 1 and 2 are easy to answer.
>
> 1.) Upayavira communicated very fervently that there just isn't enough
> oomph in wave's development. Every year around the time that the retirement
> conversation is brought up, activity similar to this starts brewing and
> then it all dies down in a few months. From this perspective "Does SwellRT
> tackle current Wave problems?" The answer is unequivocally yes, SwellRT is
> a more actively maintained fork of Wave and given the slowing/slowed pace
> of Wave *a merge with SwellRT is likely the only way to save this project*.
>
> 2.) I would also like to bring up another point Upayavira made,
> "Communities are built around good ideas and bad code." Running with that I
> thing that good ideas attract tinkerers and 'people with ideas' that could
> eventually become 'contributors with ideas'. In some senses SwellRT
> splinters Apache Wave in a way that developers on this mailing list have
> been alluding to for a while. The client side code is not well understood
> and is definitely in the way of the server. SwellRT has a more general goal
> of supplying a server that is capable of powering a front-end like the
> original vision of google wave. This means that merging with SwellRT would
> force a separation of the client and server and allow for people with
> interests in either a front or back end to work in tandem. This seems like
> an ingenious way to attract more people; anyone with an interest in the
> backend technology OR a way to use said technology in an application could
> be a potential contributor. Unless I'm mistaken it seems like SwellRT
> offers a set of features that could be classified as a superset of Wave's
> features. So, it seems like most or all of SwellRT would be at home in
> Wave. Pablo also reasonably stated that he'd prefer to work in one project.
>
> As for me, as soon as a direction is clear I would love to talk to
> someone actively maintaining/writing code so I can help them contribute to
> whichever code survives in whatever way possible.
>

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