it is not XMPP as an idea, but the current implementation uses outdated XMPP libraries and if we want to fix - we would need to find a way to re-implement parts of code with new tools. Also, even in current implementation - Federation was in Proof Of Concept quality, never worked flawlessly. So, the question - is there someone who wants to fix it, or should we remove the current implementation since it is broken and maybe think about other ideas besides XMPP.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:14 PM Pablo Ojanguren <pablo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I fully agree, federation is mandatory, and it's what makes wave unique > from centralized technologies. > > I wonder what is the actual issue with federation... is it XMPP? is it the > implementation itself? is it the wave protocol design? > > > 2016-04-09 23:02 GMT+02:00 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com>: > > > I am not sure we know how to do it right anyways. > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:53 PM Michael MacFadden < > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I agree, I don’t think any one was talking about removing federation > as > > a > > > goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/9/16, 6:34 AM, "Thomas Wrobel" <darkfl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Oh, if its only the current implementation, sure if its not got value. > > > >Being merely a onlooker its been a long time since I have looked at > > > >the codebase - but would removing even a broken implementation cause > > > >any issues as regards to putting a new implementation in in the > > > >future? That is, does it serve a purpose even as a ''placeholder'' to > > > >prevent other aspects of the code being made in a way as to make > > > >federation awkward later? > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > > > >http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. > > > > > > > > > > > >On 8 April 2016 at 00:10, Evan Hughes <ehu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Removing the current implementation is fine, I see no problems with > > > that, > > > >> aslong as theres enough documents to be able to recreate it from > spec. > > > >> On 08/04/2016 2:22 AM, "Yuri Z" <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I cannot agree more, Wave is about federation. But, the current > > > >>> implementation is broken, hard to fix and never worked fine. We > need > > to > > > >>> think about better implementation. And there's no point to keep > > current > > > >>> broken implementation that can't work. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM Dave Ball <w...@glark.co.uk> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > I only exist in the peanut gallery, but this reflects my feelings > > > too. > > > >>> > Wave isn't wave without federation... I wish I had the time to > help > > > :-( > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Dave > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 07/04/16 16:42, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > > > >>> > > I'm not sure there's any point in wave without federation > > frankly. > > > >>> > > I supported wave because I didn't want the net turning into > > > "facebook > > > >>> > > protocols" and "google protocols" etc. We need new emails. > > > Protocols > > > >>> > > that allow people on different servers to communicate, not > > > protocols > > > >>> > > trying to get everyone on the same companies server. > > > >>> > > I still fear a future of incompatibility. Of people having to > be > > on > > > >>> > > server X because their friends are all on server X (and thus > > > server X > > > >>> > > has no incentive to ever get better). Email is getting > > increasingly > > > >>> > > dated, and there's not much else federated out there even > today. > > As > > > >>> > > the web grows into real-space applications, there will be > > probably > > > >>> > > even greater need for open communications standards. > > > >>> > > While the comparison of email interface wise might have harmed > > wave > > > >>> > > somewhat from a user expectation standpoint, I do think the > same > > > needs > > > >>> > > are there - a new federated, open, protocol to deal with > today's > > > web. > > > >>> > > - sigh - > > > >>> > > -- > > > >>> > > http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > > > >>> > > http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story > > > generator. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > On 7 April 2016 at 17:25, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> > >> Hi > > > >>> > >> Currently the federation is broken and requires a significant > > > effort > > > >>> to > > > >>> > >> fix. Moreover, it never worked perfectly and always was a kind > > of > > > >>> Proof > > > >>> > Of > > > >>> > >> Concept version. I doubt we can improve the current > > > implementation to > > > >>> be > > > >>> > >> something stable. > > > >>> > >> Therefore I suggest to remove from Wave source all code and > > > >>> dependencies > > > >>> > >> related to Federation. > > > >>> > >> Thoughts? > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >
