Well, actually I just checked and I found that Kiril already filed CCLA for
Andrew.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 11:02 AM Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds cool.
> As already mentioned by Christian you can go ahead and add a link to
> wiab.pro on demo servers page or maybe a new page for sponsors. Just make
> sure to send the ICLA for companies.
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:47 AM Andrew Kaplanov <akapla...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Yuri!
>>
>> I think current client-server protocol is poorly designed.
>> - It mixes together getting of snapshots and opening of delta channels.
>>   This eliminates reconnection possibility.
>> - All opened wavelet channels live in one protocol channel.
>>   This makes difficult separated control of channels and diagnostics.
>> This and bugs in the code led to turbulences.
>>
>> I rewrote the protocol by using base design from
>> http://www.waveprotocol.org/protocol/design-proposals/
>> clientserver-protocol.
>> I have been extended this specification to support:
>> - Diff operations from last viewed version.
>> - Uploading of blips.
>> - Raw data to optimize deserialization.
>>
>> I will be glad to commit new protocol if Kirill will agree.
>>
>>
>> 2015-04-05 1:37 GMT+05:00 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Hi
>> > Let's us try to re-think the WIAB client-server protocol issue.
>> >
>> > From what I remember (please correct me if I am wrong) the client
>> interacts
>> > with server in four main ways:
>> > 1. Requests a snapshot on opening a wave
>> > 2. Sends deltas with updates
>> > 3. Receives deltas with updates.
>> > 4. Interacts directly with Search API.
>> > The messages protocol used is Protocol Buffers and PST - Protocol String
>> > Template, which is a custom written protobuff backed framework for
>> > generating several versions of the same bean for Java/GWT etc.. which
>> > allows easy serialization/deserialization.
>> > Now, what are the main issues with this setup are:
>> > 1. GWT - not an issue in itself, as I think it was a good decision at
>> the
>> > time and still the best way to re-use the same OT code on server and
>> > client, but it requires GWT compilation and maintenance of GWT related
>> > tools like the superdev and waveharness, requires certain version of
>> > browsers for debugging, prevents us from moving to Java8 (and maybe
>> Scala
>> > for some server side parts). Also, while GWT is more or less main
>> stream -
>> > it is still adds another filter on potential contributors/adopters.
>> > 2. Protobuff/PST based API while being efficient and sound decisions at
>> the
>> > time - now add more complexity and slower adoption. PST is basically a
>> > whole framework that is written by Benjamin Kalman that is used AFAIK
>> only
>> > in WIAB. They also require additional step of source generation with C++
>> > based binary. Also, I think newer version of protobuff are not
>> compatible
>> > with PST.
>> > 3. Tightly coupled Server/Client protocol - I think the protocol is fine
>> > actually, what makes it hard to use is the point 2.
>> >
>> > So what can be possible solutions? We can:
>> > 1. Solve somehow the issues from above - will require a lot of effort,
>> and
>> > probably will be never done.
>> > 2. Give up on the GWT rich text editor and concentrate on Robot/Gadgets
>> API
>> > and Federation.
>> > While, personally I would prefer solution #1, maybe it is more practical
>> > and agile to cut it off and go with 2.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>>
>

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