Bruno, I think that some of the urgency is that the future is now. While Wave was incubating, we now have robust HTML5 apps, mobile devices dominating the Web, the internet of everything as a reality and not a promise, things like Google Glass offering new modes of conversational experiences and more than a billion more people expected to come online by 2016. I believe strongly that with the proper changes, Wave can be the ideal platform for all of this as soon as it's coded up to the market's needs. Our first conference may not be a Google I/O or WWDC, but I think that it will be one to watch.
As many have observed, the current project is working with demo code. As we all know, waving a wand over a code base and calling it open source doesn't mean that it's ready for open source coding and maintenance. Symbian seems to be the poster child for this. So a complete release gives us a good base from which to say, what next? Will take a look at the roadmap link. More to be done on that and on refining the overview into an awesome pitch deck and something more of a consensus about the roadmap I really appreciate everyone coming out of the woodwork, it will help our next step, no matter what. Thanks, John On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Bruno Gonzalez <sten...@gmail.com> wrote: > @jblossom given the scarse resources, I too think that having a proper > short/long term plan is essential, in order to try to direct efforts where > they're the most needed. We can't force anyone to work on any particular > issue, but we can certainly get better at showcasing the places where > they're needed. > Personally, I'm not good at guessing the long-term future. 15 years ago I > didn't think servers would store most of our documents and apps, and here > we are now with the "cloud" everywhere! So I prefer to leave that to other > people with a bit more vision, even if I can sometimes contribute to that > kind of discussions. > > @pipires, @michael: > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Paulo Pires <pjpi...@ubiwhere.com> wrote: > > > On May 30, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Michael MacFadden < > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1) A vision and marketing to attract people. It's hard to attract > > coders > > > if they don't know what they are coding. > > > > Forget node.js or any other "world-changer-wannabe" frameworks. As > Michael > > states, most developers don't understand (or are even scared of) this > > project architecture/structure. Fixing this would be a great start! > > > > +1 > > I tried to contribute to Wiab, a pretty simple UI modification, and I found > myself lost in the code a few hours, nagging poor yuri with questions, > before I could do anything simple (being new to modern web development, > gwt, etc was of no help either). > > > > > 2) We need a road map. > > > > I'd start with reorganizing code and simplifying the learning-curve for > > developers. Without developers, there's no product! > > > > Would this be a good place to consolidate a roadmap? > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WAVE#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aroadmap-panel > Even if the discussion takes place mostly elsewhere (in this mailing list, > for example), the results could be consolidated as tasks (with sub-tasks > and what not), and then grouped with names such as "v1.0", > "public_release_marketing", etc. > Or is that tracker reserved for coding issues, and we should look into > using the wiki instead? > > Thing is that Michael prepared a discussion because of simple but very > > important things like renaming packages and module structure and there > was > > little to no feedback from the community. This was more than enough for > (at > > least) me to think there was no common interest in what me and Michael > were > > doing and therefore I stopped. > > > I'm not familiar enough with your work, so I cannot comment on that and on > many other issues. However, if you deemed it appropriate and even started > work, I'd say, go ahead whenever you feel like it. I'm sure there's many > lurkers here in the same situation as me, thinking that it's great that > people work on what they feel necessary, even if we don't voice ourselves > every time :-) > > > -- > Saludos, > Bruno González > > _______________________________________________ > Jabber: stenyak AT gmail.com > http://www.stenyak.com >
