Plenty of graphic designers support, clean an simple. In fact they do it better than most. They have a good sense of space.
WAIB has an initial core audience to think about, and it would be great if academics, small enterprise, charities/ngos, civil services, and other groups, etc would take it up. You know people who are actually looking for a better way to collaborate, rather than the passing traffic audience who were ultimately unimpressed, and underwhelmed by Gwave. Also WAIB is for developers by developers, who are going to find the other users and choose the appropriate (even fly) interface for them. It is not WAIBs remit to try second guess. Many of the uses will be very specific. It is only when lots of groups are using it will federation really take off and you will get the cross pollination benefits. Don't be fooled by this Web 3.0 look, that is actually pretty lame. It is not relevant to WIAB aims. it is mostly relevant to certain graphic designer's blogs, who are mostly into that style. Graphic designers with experience realise there is nothing new under the sun. They are using some of the same knowledge they have for print for digital media. Of course there are differences between digital media and print, but there is also plenty of parallels. Most of Googles interfaces started out clean and simple, and many remain so. Not least Google Search. Don't get me wrong there is a market for cluttered, childish interfaces clearly. But they were exactly the audience who couldn't get their head round Gwave. Those people will have to be reintroduced to Wave eventually without the hype or necessarily telling them, using familiar interfaces and paradigm. Wave is not like other social media in common use. Graphic designers don't always get it right. They have to be able to relate to what they are working on. --- On Mon, 21/2/11, David Hearnden <hearn...@google.com> wrote: > From: David Hearnden <hearn...@google.com> > Subject: Re: More Site Updates > To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > Date: Monday, 21 February, 2011, 8:46 > Well done Zachary on such a faithful > replication of the Google Wave styling! > > However, for WIAB, I think it's important not to alienate > the vast majority > of internet users, whose browsers do not support > CSS3. Even though visitors > of the apache site are more likely to be using a > CSS3-capable browser than > visitors of an arbitrary site, one of the key selling > points of WIAB over > Google Wave is that it is intended to work in IE. > > Also, one of the distinguishing UI capabilities of Google > Wave was the > window/panel system within it (resizable, maximizable, > minimizable, > reorderable, etc). Without that panel system, > it does not make much sense > to me for the heavy frames to be so prominent in the > UI. Since the project > site is unlikely to have a windowing system at this stage, > then carrying > over that particular look doesn't make much sense to me. > > Although I'd prefer a clean, simple, content-driven UI for > the project > site, I'm trying to reserve my personal, subjective, > preferences about > graphic design, because I've been told (by graphic > designers) that engineers > make lousy graphic designers. > > -Dave > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Paul Thomas <dt01pqt...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Does it really have to e that complicated? You only > really need the fonts > > and colour scheme and a logo. There is hardly anything > wrong with the theme > > at the moment TBH. The current scheme of WAIB is > simpler still :) > > > > According to their licence GWave don't wasn't us > to use their logo. > > Presumably the old FedOne logo is ok, > > > > I think the simplicity and clarity of WAIB interface > does it a lot of > > favours. I think that should be reflected in the site > and Wiki. To the point > > without all the fluff of Gwave. GWave always struck me > as a bit of a Yahoo! > > interface TBH. Way too much crap on the screen. > > > > --- On Sun, 20/2/11, Zachary "Gamer_Z." Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Zachary "Gamer_Z." Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: More Site Updates > > > To: wave-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 23:47 > > > I would like to suggest using my Wave > > > UI > > > CSS<http://mysite.verizon.net/zmyaro/projects/wave/ui.html>to > > > style > > > the site. It is a CSS3 stylesheet that > immitates > > > Google Wave's > > > (and now WIAB's) UI. > > > > > > --Zachary "Gamer_Z." Yaro > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 18:13, Richard Vijay > <richard.vi...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > yes i can help :) > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay A Richard. > > > > > > > > "And Miles to go before I sleep" - Robert > Frost > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Michael > MacFadden > > > < > > > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wavers (yes, I said it..."wavers"), > > > > > > > > > > I have pushed some more changes to the > wave > > > site. If any one is > > > > interested > > > > > in helping with some content > generation, let me > > > know. We should probably > > > > > start thinking about how we want the > site to come > > > together. We could > > > > > definitely use some graphic design to > make it > > > look a little nicer. > > > > > > > > > > I also posted some changes to the wave > incubator > > > project page. There is > > > > a > > > > > section there for status reports. > Not sure > > > what we are supposed to fill > > > > in > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
