I understand what you mean Robin. It does seem strange that the force can originate in a field where the momentum must be shared. In the cases I used for my thought experiments the source is so far removed that it is apparent that the action occurs long before a signal can reach the source particles. We need to dig into this concept further to identify exactly how COM is achieved.
In both of the cases the electron undergoes acceleration due to its interaction with the fields. This should result in the radiation of energy in the form of photons which also carry momentum. It is not obvious that the levels of radiation are adequate to complete the task, but they might be. If we extend the thought experiment by making the source have a larger magnitude at a longer distance resulting in the same field vector at the electron, then the momentum imparted upon the electron would be the same. This process can be extended indefinitely as the source of the field is moved further away and increased in magnitude with the same net effect upon the electron. The implication is that momentum must be shared with photons released by the accelerated electron. So, in the case being discussed, it seems that the friend nuclei would not actually be the thing sharing the interaction momentum and energy. This would seem to be true unless photons, in this case gammas, become directed toward the nearby nucleus and absorbed. Perhaps this is a consequence of a fusion reaction time frame that is extremely short. This is an interesting subject. Dave -----Original Message----- From: mixent <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and DGT Similarity? In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:09:01 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] I agree with what you are saying, I'm just having a hard time making use of it to explain (the lack of) momentum sharing. >If you take an extreme example it makes the process clear. Suppose there exists a large current loop located a mile away from an electron source. The point where the electron exits the gun has a magnetic field that is measurable arising from this source and at right angles to the path it will take. The instant the electron leaves the source it become deflected by the magnetic field that exists at that precise point in time. It does not have to wait until its motion is detected at the loop to begin the curvature. > >In this case, the electron is subject to a right angle force immediately due >to the field being present and not after a few microseconds of delay. Notice that there would be no deflection had there not been an existing magnetic field. > >An electric field from a large charge at a mile would behave in a similar manner. In that case, the electron would immediately begin accelerating toward the positive charge source and actually gaining energy as well as momentum. The field itself must be the source of the force being experienced by the electron since the actual charge causing the field is not aware of the existence of the electron for the same delay due to light having a finite speed. > >I tend to think of these types of processes as being influenced by changes in local time due to distance between objects. In this case the electron is responding to the source fields associated with an earlier time of their existence from the source frame point of view. From the electron's point of view, it is responding to its real time environment. > >Dave > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mixent <[email protected]> >To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 6:30 pm >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and DGT Similarity? > > >In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT): >Hi, > >The problem I have with this is that it would allow any energy liberating >mechanism (even chemical reactions) to result in a particle simply "taking off" >with the momentum later to be passed to some other particle somewhere else >(potentially anywhere), after light has had a chance to reach it. > >We don't see this happen. > >>Robin, >> >> >>I do not see a problem with what Eric is suggesting. Regardless of how many >charges and moving charges reside in the universe, only the net vector fields >due to all of them is present at the location of the D reactions. The >superposition of all of the individual fields results in one final value that >interacts. The various vectors of the total could arise far away from the D >site, but their levels would drop off very fast with distance so only the >nearest ones would generally dominate. >> >> >>For example, the total magnetic field vector at a point determines how a moving >charged particle's path is curved at that point. The potentially far off source >of that field does not have to get information about the movement of that >particle before the force is felt. This type of thought fits into the concept >that local time is what counts for a reference frame. Distance makes the >local >times different between the "friend" nucleus and the interacting D's. >> >> >>If you follow up on the momentum and energy pulses detected by the "friends" >nearby, then they would not see any reaction forces until the time required >for >light speed fields to reach them. After that period has elapsed, they would >be >subject to potentially large dynamic forces. >> >> >>Dave >[snip] >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
