Was the "steam" exiting the Rossi device transparent or was it an opaque white? (right at the top where it transitions from the aluminum foil covered "chimney" to the black hose)
If it is transparent then that would mean it is water vapor - and truly 12 kW of steam. But if it was white then that would indicate condensed tiny liquid droplets (or ultrasonic fogging) and fraudulent scamming. Water vapor is virtually invisible. On a tea kettle, the steam immediately coming out of the kettle is transparent but roughly 1 or 2 inches away the vapor condenses to tiny droplets which become a white fog. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:49 AM, P.J van Noorden <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I wondered why people had no problems with the 8 liters of watervapour > which was released into the room during the Rossi experiment. A simple > experiment in which I evaporised 8 liters of water in a room of 100 m3 with > a powersource of 9 kW ( 3 heaters of each 3 kW) did produce a very humid > atmosphere ( approaching RH 90%) and the temperature rose to more then 30 > degr. > Why wasn`t this detected during the experiment of Rossi? If the aircon > was powerfull enough one would still notice a turbulence of warm and cold > airflow in the room. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeff Driscoll <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:08 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments > > That meter that was listed can measure Relative Humidity but it can not > measure the quality of the steam. As you know, relative humidity just > means how saturated the air is for for the given temperature - it says > absolutely nothing about the quality (dryness or "wetness") of the steam. > The quality of the steam (a.k.a. dryness on Vortex) gives you the ratio of > the mass of vapor to the total mass of water (liquid and vapor) in a given > sample. > > It takes complicated expensive instruments to measure the quality of steam > (one device is called a "throttling calorimeter"). A common or even > expensive Relative Humidity instrument can not do it. > > If Rossi used an ultrasonic fogger in boiling water, he could get micron > sized droplets at 100 C. That's close enough to 101 C with errors due to > calibration. They should insulate the black hose and stick it in a barrel of > water. 12 kW of steam that is fed into 50 gallons of water (or some number > of gallons) will raise the temperature at rate that could be easily > measurable. > If it can be done, find out exactly what information rules out "wet" > steam. > > Here is a photo of an ultrasonic fogger using water to produce what looks > like steam, but is in fact micron sized water droplets: > > http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ultrasonic-fogger-how-does-it-work.html > > Here is a link to a description of a "throttling calorimeter" which is a > device that measures the quality ("wetness") of steam. Basically the > throttling calorimeter involves letting the pressurized steam expand into a > cavity and measuring the temperature of the resulting gas. It only works > with pressurized steam such as 30 psia steam or higher so that it can expand > down to 15 psia or atmospheric pressure. > > http://www.plantservices.com/articles/2003/378.html?page=full > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Jeff Driscoll <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> How can you use an indoor air quality meter (listed in Jed's email) to >>> measure the dryness of the steam? (you can't) >>> >> >> Apparently you can. The person who did this is reportedly an expert in >> steam. I gather this meter measures RH in steam as well as air. >> >> >> >>> Can it be faked the following way: >>> >>> Use an ultrasonic fogger operating at 1.6 MHz to create micron size >>> droplets. Heat the droplets to 90 C and then send it down the black hose. >>> >> >> The temperature of the steam out the outlet is measured with a >> thermocouple. It is 101 deg C. So it is definitely steam, or a mixture of >> steam and water. The RH meter ensures that is all dry steam. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
