Just so you all have an idea of what its all about, first, a summary of the theory and then I'll comment on Nick's post:
"The standard theory of anthropogenic global warming is challenged by a new theory which is based on empirical evidence and a reevaluation of the Eddinger equations, using a different set of boundary conditions. In this exposition the Eddington radiation equilibrium equations (which apply to stars) are solved correctly for a planet with a semi-transparent atmosphere, like the Earth. The correct solutions predict that Earth's atmosphere holds an amount of greenhouse gases that maximize radiation of heat into space. It appears that the Earth has a self-regulation mechanism that allows increases of CO2 to exert only a very minor influence on the planet's temperature. Independent measurements give insight into the mechanism of how this self-regulation takes place. Still other measurements contradict the atmospheric heating that supposedly follows directly from standard climate models as a result of increased CO2 during the last few decades. Cooling is observed, instead. Due to the importance of the problem for policies that affect the well-being of the world's population, we conclude that there are now ample grounds to organize a discussion between the scientific proponents of these two theories." REF: http://www.landshape.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=introduction Nick: Your disparaging comment is unconvincing, and misleading; ALL THE FACTS, not just what supports what you believe to be true. I went to your reference (and BTW, I'm still waiting for leaking pen's reference!) and did some reading there and at other sites, and it didn't take long to find one person's comment about you: "Nick you are still obfuscating, but thanks for the response anyway. "As I said, momentum is a vector, and because it is symmetric about the Earth’s axis, for S_T it sums to zero anyway." Ok so how do they do this? You said, "The escaping photons provide an effective force on the earth. These might budge the orbit by a nanometre or so" "You are making it up as you go by the look of it. Now consider a column through which the photons of S_T are passing through the atmosphere they have a momentum what happens to that momentum due to interaction with the particles in the amosphere on the way out? Try to stay focused on the question." ME: For those that are truly interested in this topic, there is some very good DISCUSSION about Dr. Miskolczi's papers on these sites: http://www.climateaudit.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=556 http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/The_Saturated_Greenhouse_Effect.htm Here's a bibliography and review of recent peer-reviewed papers which questions Global Warming Science: http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/files/documents/Madhav%20bibliography%20LONG%20VERSION%20Feb% 206-07.pdf ME: And some of this is beginning to sound very (F&P) familiar... "... Then Miskolczi himself posts a few messages in his defense and he is insulted by Gavin and ‘raypierre.’ Gavin and ‘raypierre’ claim that Mikolczi makes several blatant algebraic errors in the first 9 pages of his report that invalidate his entire thesis. They don’t say what those errors are; they are apparently saving them for a paper written by a sophomore physics class as a class project. In other words, Miklosci’s math errors are so obvious that sophomore physics majors can point them out. Maybe they are right, but that was in March and, as far as I can tell, the “class paper” has not been posted yet." -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Nick Palmer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance? Ferenc Miskolczi - balance? - oh please! Before you now it he will be "proving" his theories using the size, relationships and angles of the great pyramids. http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2154 - Release Date: 06/04/09 05:53:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2154 - Release Date: 06/04/09 05:53:00
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