On May 20, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Rhong Dhong wrote:


the concept of "class struggle"...Marxism is discredited today... capitalism was not on a one-way path to destruction, for which Stalin sentenced him to Siberia....American constitution by men schooled in government, especially the classics...Our founding fathers well understood human evil...

Why does the moderator allow off-topic junk like the above? A little bit once in a while doesn't hurt, but this list is supposed to be about science, especially juicy fringe science. Unfortunately, it is turning into a high school civics class.

And please ban Croc or Groc or whoever he is: He is largely responsible for leading the boys astray.

I agree, Grok contributes very little. I regret stirring up his rants when I started this thread. On the other hand, I think some issues are so important that an occasional discussion of them is important, especially when they have an influence on the kind of science that is allowed to be studied and on our personal fate. For example, the economic collapse is providing a temporary bust to research, thanks to the Obama stimulus. If this support can be sustained, we might find ways to make cheaper energy with less environmental impact. Unfortunately, duration of this support is not clear and many people who are doing unique research will not have access to this money. In addition, the economic and social changes are taking place so rapidly, it is worth being as fully aware of these changes as possible in order to make wise personal decisions. Most people who contribute to the discussions on this list add to this understanding, which is very valuable.

Ed






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