On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:52 AM JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Has anyone here seen the vials of supposed hydrinos that Mills used to > show at conferences? Were they ever tested independently? He seems to have > given up that gimmick (perhaps at the advice of his lawyer)…One wonders > what materials would bind to dense hydrogen or even if the material could > be contained at all. > > > > If H* is dense and chemically inert (except with other H*) then a natural > source on earth would be unlikely to have been found in the past. Any > atoms of it which were created would essentially sink since no natural > elements should be capable to contain the H* for long, given its > compactness and density. Unless the species turns up in biology then it > seems that there is essentially no normal place for it to accumulate. Its > density insures that it should preferentially move towards the center of > earth with no means of stopping it except for weak diamagnetism -- Assuming > that it is diamagnetic like hydrogen > > > A. Meulenberg is a proponent of H* as a pathway to producing excess heat through cold fusion . Therefore in addition to showing they can exist, he also has to ensure that they have the requisite properties which facilitate cold fusion . An interesting criticism arose in recent years is that if they do exist as a legitimate solution to the dirac equation then they will have a negative energy. If this is true it would undermine their usefulness as a pathway to CF. In the paper_Research Article Advance on Electron Deep Orbits of the Hydrogen Atom _ (J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 24 (2017) he and Paillet argue with some algebra that the sign of the energy solution should be positive rather than negative. I don`t know if their argument is sound or not, but they do point out that the negative solution is normally regarded as physically meaningless. Since my appreciation of H* does not depend on their usefulness in explaining CF, I am willing to accept that a negative energy solution is the correct solution, so the next issue is to work out the implications. A similar situation arose 90 years ago when Dirac was faced with a negative kinetic energy solution to his equation. He could have dismissed it as unphysical, but instead he interpreted the solution in such a way that led him to propose the existence of a new particle...the positron. Harry > According to Mills, the solar corona is a vast factory for making dense > hydrogen. In all of these Vortex posts, the various theories of dense > hydrogen have been intentionally conflated and the name ‘hydrino’ is seldom > used - since most of the theorists now seem to agree that the single > densest state is the only one which fits into theory seamlessly and not the > stepwise progression of Mills with its 137 steps is counter-productive. > > > > At any rate, if millions of tons per day of the stuff are being made in > the solar corona and then finding it way to earth via the “solar wind” and > collecting in the oceans of earth then it might be possible to work > backwards to find a natural biological repository and then look there.. > > > > The best candidate I can think of would involve the lifeforms around the > deep ocean vents. Maybe the mussel shells found there are high density and > self-heating 😊 > > > > > > · If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen > atoms they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old technology > many decades ago. But this is just a strawman argument against their > existence. > > Harry > > What old technology, exactly, would have discovered them? That is an > intriguing path to follow > > BTW it could be a “fundable” inquiry involving a deeper look at old data.. > should anyone here be looking for a new project. > > H* would have almost the same mass as hydrogen - but would be so much > denser that it probably cannot react chemically in the same way, so they > are relatively inert. > > For instance, there is unlikely to be found in nature a form of water > where one of the protons is replaced with dense hydrogen as this could > present a charge imbalance. > > It would be worth the effort to find the most likely place dense hydrogen > should be found in nature (assuming it is real) > > My guess is that it would be in biological lifeforms which use it for > survival, somehow. > > Jones > > > > Look for abnormally high energetic emissions from a hot hydrogen gas. That > would be evidence of hydrogen relaxing below the ground state. The > probability of the formation of hydrinos in an ideal gas would be very > low.. However, I think the probability might increase as the gas got > cooler. This would be in contrast with the probability of fusion > increasing as the temperature of the gas increased. > > > > Harry > > > > It might be better to look for unusual absorption lines in a cold gas of > hydrogen. This would indicate the hydrino atom was there but changed back > into an ordinary hydrogen atom by absorbing energy. > > > > Jürg > > > > > > > > >
