Swoosh.
...that went right over my head.
Harry

On Sun., Oct. 18, 2020, 2:43 p.m. Terry Blanton, <hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heterodyne intermodulation distortion in non-linear combiners.
>
> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4139053
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:44 AM H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> When two waves of different frequencies combine the result is a third
>> wave with a beat frequency corresponding to the difference between the two
>> original frequencies. A wave model  can show how this happens, but I don't
>> see how it can bring about the addition of frequencies. Can someone model
>> this additive process for me?
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The nonlinearity must be attached to the cathode itself because a THz
>>> signal will not go through even 1 micron of electrolyte.  In the
>>> Letts-Cravens-Hagelstein experiment, a tiny amount of gold was added to the
>>> cathode to produce the nonlinearity.  Did it work because it formed a diode
>>> junction?  Was the nonlinearity plasmon related?  That is presently unknown
>>> - but it was produced directly on the cathode, which is the target.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:50 PM Sean Logan <paco66...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds fascinating.  May I ask:  what are you using as your non-linear
>>>> element, to cause the two laser beams to heterodyne?  Is it the target they
>>>> shine on, itself?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 15:19 Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sean,
>>>>>
>>>>> What you are describing is entirely possible.  Also, diode lasers can
>>>>> be driven into modes that produce sidebands just at the threshold of
>>>>> ordinary output - but it is hard to control the sidebands without an
>>>>> expensive "loop" receiver and some kind of lock-in control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using 2 lasers is pretty easy.  I am presently working on a dual laser
>>>>> experiment with 2 tunable diode lasers combined optically onto a single
>>>>> fiber. The wavelength separation (determines the beat frequency) is
>>>>> continuously monitored in a high resolution fiber spectrometer.  We are
>>>>> nearly ready to run experiments with this hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sean Logan <paco66...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you use an Optical Parametric Amplifier to create your desired
>>>>>> sidebands?  Using one laser as the "signal input" and the other as the
>>>>>> "pump" should give you an output containing sum and difference 
>>>>>> frequencies
>>>>>> (sidebands, or heterodynes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:29 H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my estimation Rumford's theory is the seed of an alternate theory
>>>>>>> of radiation.  It could still grow and blossom into a well
>>>>>>> developed mathematical theory of heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am interested in beat theory because it resonants (pun intended)
>>>>>>> with Rumford`s theory of hot and cold radiation, since
>>>>>>> both involve  _differences_. A beat frequency is given by the
>>>>>>> difference of two frequencies and in Rumford`s theory two types of
>>>>>>> differences are important.The first is that the relative difference in
>>>>>>> temperature between two bodies determines which body is producing more 
>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>> or more cold radiation. The second is that the sign and magnitude of the
>>>>>>> difference between the received frequency and the oscillator's frequency
>>>>>>> determines whether the radiation increases or decreases the energy of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> oscillator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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